January 1997 Eczema Mailing List Archive
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Date: 1 Jan 1997 05:00:00 From: Steve Subject: Ice, vit C for itching/
Infantile Eczema
I am not aware of any topical vitamin C. I would be interested in knowing
about it. I'll check with a pharmacist. Vitamin C I know about is swallowed.
As an aside, the group might be interested in knowing that the word "Oral"
has been misinterpreted by pharmacists in my experience, to include "inhaled"
therefore the use of the word "swallowed".
Debbie, did you try rice alone? By "alone" I mean was the food trial
a SINGLE food trial. I think you did from my interpretation of the tone
I read into your typed words. If you did try each of the listed foods,
one at a time, just as you did the rice, then you are pretty safe in assuming
that they are tolerated. Keep in mind HOW you try them though. Each test
food should be eaten three times a day.
I know the ice works. After applying it apply a little skin lubrication
like Vaseline. Very light coating. Let us know.
Date: 1 Jan 1997 07:36:06 From: Christine Subject: Scratching &
Hair Loss
You guys know how animals can get bald patches from scratching so much?
Well, there was a recent period when I was scratching my head a lot where
my hair is (just above the ears & next to my face). Then, I noticed
in the shower as I was washing my hair that I was losing strands of it
(not just one at time). Oooff! For a couple of days I questioned whether
the eczema was starting to make me lose my hair. But, then it dawned on
me! That's the same place I had been scratching a lot for about a month.
So, I went to the beauty salon, trimmed and deep conditioned my hair,
and the lady at the beauty salon assured me that my theory was correct.
So... now I will make an effort to just push down on the area that itches
instead of scratching it so much. I will also wet my hair and let evaporation
do its trick when it's beyond my ability to refrain from scratching. My
loss isn't really obvious, and it will grow back. It's actually kind of
funny how I compare it to a dog scratching itself until it leaves a bald
patch. Good that I figured out what was happening before it became too
noticeable.
Don't you think that the less we scratch, the less we will itch? I find
that the more I scratch, the more inflamed I get, and I end up itching
even more. Concerning neurological components which may drive people to
scratch, I have two feelings: our skin itches, and our brain sends a signal
to scratch; and it might have become a bit habitual.
Date: 1 Jan 1997 14:48:43 From: Shelley Subject: Wool Wax In Aquaphor
Christine: Different forms of lanolin apparently can trigger different
reactions because I clearly get no reaction to the wool wax (which you
say is a form of lanolin) in Aquaphor, yet do react to lanolin in lotions.
My skin condition is different every day, sometimes not too bad and sometimes
terrible. I use Aquaphor every single day, no matter what my condition,
and it clearly helps and never contributes to a problem. I get worse if
I don't use enough Aquaphor.
Date: 1 Jan 1997 19:49:14 From: Steve Subject: misc
Hello Mark, I see five big areas in your family situation that need
increased attention.
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The carpet. Get rid of it. From the whole house. This may be the single
biggest factor affecting both Sam and you. Getting rid of the carpet is
the easiest thing to do. No? Yes! Once it is done, it is done, and you
will find unending relief with no furthur effort. Carpets are filthy even
when they look spotless and clean. No matter how well we think we clean
them, they are traps for allergens which do not get removed. Some areas
of carpet will never get cleaned, even if you shampoo and vacuum daily.
This will undoubtedly reduce your asthma too. You can use small area rugs
which are washable. You will be amazed at the amount of dirt a small area
rug can accumulate after a few days. Just shake one out and see. Then imagine
the dirt in the whole house.
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Do not reject all the traditional doctors' drugs. Some of them are valuable
as long as they are used wisely and sparingly. Those drugs that cause sluggishness
can be effectively used if they are timed well. If antihistamines are necessary,
Sam should take them around 4 or 5 PM so their negative effects can be
used positively to help him sleep through the night.
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Get control of the other possible allergens (diet and homeopathic treatments).
Eliminate as many variables as possible.
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Know each ingredient that the homeopathic doctor uses. Ask her/him questions
and limit the number of ingredients so that you can tell which one is being
tried and therefore be able to tell if it is helping or harming at any
one time. Trying homeopathic ingredients and foods at the same time may
prevent one from knowing which of the two is helping or harming thereby
prolonging the period of discomfort.
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Do food trials, starting from a basic list of about five or six food and
add one a week after the new food is proved a non-allergen. Your allergist
can guide you in this respect.
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Include daily multivitamin/mineral tablet as a food trial. If you find
that one causes problems, try another. I use Centrum, but that my not be
suitable for a child. Taking daily multivitamin/mineral in the morning
and afternoon, as I think taking it in the evening may have a stimulant
effect and reduce sleeping. Use vitamin C as an aid to reduce itching.
It will provide itching relief within 20 minutes.
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Use ice to reduce itching. Afterwards apply a moisturizer that works. You
may have to change a lot until you find one that works. Vaseline used lightly
on dry areas will reduce itching. Healing skin appears dry. Dry skin itches.
Date: 1 Jan 1997 19:58:42 From: Kelly Subject: Childhood Eczema
Alkaline baths are great for relieving the itch of eczema. Use 1 lb.
of baking soda to a full tub but you will have to adjust the amount, as
a 2 yr. old won't fill the whole tub. Try to keep him in for at least a
half hour. You can do this as many times as you want daily but a definite
at night to help him sleep. This is one of the oldest remedies for itching
and a detox for the skin.
Date: 1 Jan 1997 20:05:52 From: Steve Subject: Shelley/Scratching "Seizures"/ice
Try ice as a first course of action. Apply it directly while holding
a washcloth, then take vitamin C , then the harder stuff: eliminate the
allergens if you are allergic. The "Seizures" are from the allergens I
think.
I don't think it has anything to do with neurology, if you have allergies.
Get out of bed when you have these seizures. Use the ice, take the vitamin
C, take a cool shower, then go out for a walk if you can. The itching causes
tension which is relieved by stretching and exercise. I don't think tension
causes itching.
This words neurological dermatitus I think are a misnomer based upon
an old misdiagnosis.
Date: 1 Jan 1997 21:26:03 From: Mark Subject: Childhood Eczema
Our son Sam started with his eczema at the beginning of this year, aged
2, following a hernia operation. His whole body was affected by severe
dry skin, sores, itching etc. He was hospitalised 3 times and attended
the dermatology clinic daily for 2 months where he was bathed and bandaged
until the worst was over, however he has made very slow progress since
then.
Having despaired of modern medicine techniques which made little difference
to the eczema but made Sam listless and irritable, we cut out all drugs
and steroid creams.
We are presently trying a homeopath who recommended that Sam become
a vegetarian and only use organic foods. As he is already on a dairy free
diet we weren't too happy with this idea and we like our meat too much.
We have found organic meat and veg suppliers so we try and stick to this,
although it is more expensive it tastes great.
Sam hasn't flared for about 2 months, but still has very dry skin. We
continue bathing him every day followed by moisturising creams and full
body Tubifast bandaging. The bandages reduce the need and ability to scratch
but the face still gets a good seeing to. He wakes up 4-5 times a night
scratching and nothing seems to make him sleep any better.
To reduce the amount of scratching we keep the house cool (not difficult
at this time of year) and keep skin covered as much as possible.
I've no idea what pills the homeopath gives him they all look the same,
but we also give him evening primrose oil capsules twice a day and use
Aplus4 cream on the bad bits of skin. The homeopath also recommends lots
of natural garlic and ginger in our food, which is fine by me.
Both my father and I suffered mild eczema as children but not half as
bad as Sam. I also suffer from asthma and we are trying everything to reduce
the chances of Sam developing the same. All his bedding is cotton, the
mattress is hypoallergenic sponge and covered with a dust mite barrier
as are the quilt and pillows. All the carpets are extremely short pile
and we keep the house cold and airy.
Date: 1 Jan 1997 21:27:44 From: Ann Subject: To Mark
Mark, It sounds like you are doing so much for your son. I don't have
much more to suggest.
Remember, though, that even short pile carpets (and even flat cotton
throw rugs) harbor dust mites. So if possible, you might consider ripping
out the carpets, or at least keeping Sam off of them. Even regular vacuuming
with a good vacuum doesn't remove enough dust mites from carpets. Also
be sure to hot wash all bedding not covered by the dust covers at least
every two weeks. This includes stuffed toys. Curtains and drapes should
also be eliminated unless they can be hot washed. Watch out for mildew
if you are in a damp area; heaters are bad for dry skin, but cool air breeds
mildew! I think on general principles that allergic people should avoid
eating large amounts of any one food or herb. (I'm personally real allergic
to garlic).
Everyone, How many others made a New Years resolution to STOP SCRATCHING??????
Date: 2 Jan 1997 08:39:58 From: Richard Subject: Pine Trees and Corn
Starch
Happy New Year everyone. I've been really itchy, deep itch, not on the
surface for about a month. I get bad usually around this time of the year.
I was talking to my mom who said my dad was really allergic due to pine
trees, eucalyptus, and oak. It made me think, we put a freshly cut Christmas
tree into the house, I wonder....
Also, my CHT doc said to use corn starch in the bath, not Aveeno. I'd
never heard of or tried it before. It doesn't put a layer of stuff on one's
skin. It seems fairly soothing and neutral. If Aveeno or oil is too hard
on your skin, and you need relief, you might try it.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 08:29:15 From: Steve Subject: Pine Trees YOW!!
Richard, I can stay in a room with a Christmas pine tree for about 15
minutes before I get asthma... The tree has a powerful allergens. Who knows
how many. Put it outside! Downwind. Fast.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 08:52:15 From: Kelly Subject: Sam/Mark
Why not ask the doctor for a nonsedative antihistamine for in the day,
like Hismanal.
It's been years since I've read a Centrum label, at least 8 but what
I do recall is it is high variety metal multi and one of the minerals being
nickel, I bring this concern up being that nickel is a VERY common allergen
of eczema and if Centrum still contains nickel, it's still a multi we should
avoid, I bring this concern up cuz you promote it so much when there are
nonallergic multi's available. So, my question is, does it still contain
nickel or has the formula been changed?
I've never mentioned this before but I like your suggestion of using
ice, it does work.
>> I don't think it has anything to do with neurology, if you have allergies.<<
Actually it does, our disease does have a connection to our nerves that's
why stress is an aggrevator. I'm one of the few they want living on Xanax
for my condition, not that my life is necessarily stressful but to attack
my eczema from all angles. I don't take it daily anymore, just my preference
but I will tell you that when I'm on it, give me any amount of stress and
my skin isn't affected but stress without it, my skin will react. Shelley
your thinking on the right path and severe itching is a huge sress factor
and the mental part of it alone, forget physical, can cause eczema to worsen.
Stress is just as much as an aggrevator as is any allergen but one that
is overlooked, our mental state plays a big part in our disease. When I'm
in a high flare up, I will take Xanax, I know the difference with and without
I've been doing this way too long not to. I also take it during high emotional
stress. The dosage to aid our eczema is lower then what people normally
take for in other conditions. I do .25 mg. 2 or 3 x's/daily, I'm suppose
to do it 3 x's but I forget and end up taking it only 2 x's half of the
time.
Doctors know the role stress plays in our disease, have a talk with
her/him, not everybody will need drugs for this aspect but there are some
of us who do.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 08:01:26 From: Steve Subject: NonNickelVitamin?
Yes, Centrum does contain 5mg of nickel. I was not aware that nickel
is an allergen. Can anyone comment/recommend a better mutivitamin/mineral?
Date: 2 Jan 1997 08:53:52 From: Steve Subject: II YOW Pinetrees
Richard, Don't YOU take the pine tree outside. Get someone else to do
it. Open all the windows in the house and then get somone else to sweep
and vacuum the place while you take a walk or go shopping. Hire someone
if there is no one around to do it.
You will feel better very fast. But initially you might need an antihistamine
about 5 pm or so for the first day after the cleaning.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 08:53:57 From: Steve Subject: Ointments better than
creams.
The moisturizing creams can be a source of problems! Generally ointments
are less problems! If you cannot avoid the creams, then, when you have
problems, rotate the cream in order to see if the cream is causing a problem.
You can start out having many positive results from use of a cream, and
after a while acquire allergic reactions. It is common.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 10:56:33 From: Ann Subject: ice suit; steroid shots;trees
Shelley, Have you tried wearing a layer of wet clothing under a layer
of dry clothing? I slept this way every night for many months and sometimes
I wear the get up (even the face and scalp mask) while working around the
house. It might be too cool now to do this, but I think the wet cotton
is just as good as ice.
Kelly, I agree that steroids should be used sparingly. But I think there
are times when a responsible derm (or other type) doctor SHOULD push the
systemic stuff on an eczema patient: like when the patient is definitely
suicidal from the all-over non-stop itch. I know, I've been there.
Richard, Next year get a fake tree. Natural trees bring not only their
own, but other types of pollen into the house. Even family members who
protested at first now love our "perpetual" tree. (purchased for very little;
VERY real looking; much less time consuming than the real thing.)
Date: 2 Jan 1997 12:00:27 From: Patsy Subject: Scratching "Seizures"
Shelley's remarks about scratching frenzies at night rang a bell. The
only thing I've found that allows me to sleep through the night without
clawing is the application of hemorrohoid ointment to my eczema. Indeed,
it is all I've found that gives me any lengthy relief - and by lenghty
I mean more than an hour or so. I know it sounds like a strange new use
for this product, but I have been truly impressed with the results. Moreover,
it is greasy and therefore gives an additional moisture coating. Good luck.
Would love to hear from anyone else who has used this and their results.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 12:11:32 From: Shelley Subject: Ice & Itch
Thanks to all for your concern regarding my current flare-up. I AM using
ice to keep the itch to a minimum. It certainly does help. But it's a lot
of work to keep moving my ice pack around on my entire body. What I really
need is an ice suit, like a wet suit with ice packed into it, so I can
walk around and get things done while my skin is being iced.
Remember the Wizard of Oz scene where Dorothy and the others get prepared
to meet the wizard? Dorothy gets her hair done, the scarecrow gets his
straw restuffed, and the tin man gets his metal shined. That's the kind
of place I need, where I could get serviced by a team of Ice-People!
Anyway, I'm trying to remain calm and not run to the doctor for a shot
just yet. I'm going to keep trying to get it under control by myself.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 12:44:36 From: Kelly Subject: Ice & Itch
Shelley the shot may be great at first but they also decrease your own
production of steriods, so when it wears off, your body runs low on steriods
making you prime for attack. I did the Kenalog Shot throughout my childhood
being a kid and not knowing about the rebound effect of these shots and
my mother was a nurse and knew better but what even the informed will do
to get immediate relief. We now know, or should I say they always knew
but I didn't, that these shots contributed to my eczema getting so out
of control. I can't stress enough that you yourself look into this effect
and then ask your doctor why he has been giving you them. Doctors, all
doctors, know about this. The shots should not be used by anyone with serious
skin problems as our adrenals are already stressed out.
And since you are in a flare-up, get in a tub of lukewarm water and
up to a pound (2 cups) of baking soda, in flare-ups our skin is very acidic
and you need to get the balance back but don't ever do the shot. You know
how bad my condition can get and no one EVER could talk me back into taking
a shot again and a responsible derm would never try to give you one.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 13:10:45 From: Tom Subject: to Mark childhood e
Mark I found washing the bed sheets every day helpful. I also open the
windows and air the room for several hours. Perhaps I am crazy but why
not freeze those little dust mites out of the room? My 10 month old is
much happier at night and is less itchy when we do this.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 13:23:01 From: Gary Subject: aquaphor
Aquaphor is widely recommended for eczema. Usually, dermatologists suggest
you apply it body-wide after showering to retain moisture. I used it for
about ten years, but now use Vaseline BEFORE showering.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 13:43:40 From: Peter Subject: Boots baby lotion
Some ten years ago I was able to buy, in Canada, Boots baby lotion (unscented;
lanolin-free?). It was very helpful in controlling my facial eczema. Unfortunately,
Boots closed in Canada and the product, to my knowledge, is no longer available
in this country. Would anyone in the UK be able to tell me if this product
is still available there.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 13:56:50 From: Kelly Subject: NonNickelVitamin?/Ice
ThrowOUTcarpet.Vtmns
When people are allergic to jewelry, it's often the nickel they're having
a problem with. TwinLab makes a multi called Allergy Multi Caps for chemically
hypersensitive individuals. The A & D are from non-fish, E is non-soy,
Chromium is yeast-free and it does not contain Iodine. From the label it
reads... Free from most common allergens such as fish, fish oils, iodine,
corn, wheat, yeast, barley, rice, lactose, milk, egg, citrus, citrus or
lemon bioflavonoids, nightshade vegetables, salicylates and all soy derivatives.
This multi also contains Cal/1,000 and Mag/500. It's definitely the most
complete allergy multi I've ever seen personally.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 14:07:57 From: Ken Subject: Diet/Infantile Eczema
Just one addition... lamb in the "meat" category. I occasionally do
a little cleanout diet, which was recommended to me by my allergist. He
told me that "hardly anyone" is allergic to lamb, spinach, rice, or pears.
You have the other 3 on your list already.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 14:23:47 From: Kelly Subject: ice suit; steroid shots;
trees
Ann I've been to hell too, I've had them pumped into me intraveously
and I still disagree, the only time I will agree is in life or death situation
which rarely happens to us. Several times a year I have to use Temovate
but with topicals I can control the speed of the lowering of the dosage
so not get the rebound effect whereas with the shot you can't and then
you just through your system off again. The shot for the suicidal doesn't
fly with me, there are other ways to stop the itch.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 14:47:46 From: Debbie Subject: leaky gut
This sounds very interesting to me and worth persuing. I"d be curious
to know if you experienced anything else in common: Julia was born around
due date but was huge (10 lbs. 7 oz.). My son without eczema was 7 lbs....Her
morning diaper is incredibly strong smelling (urine) and I can't really
pinpoint what it smells like, but it's the same every day lately. It is
not the obvious smell of ammonia.....On "worse" days (real inflamed and
oozy) she's also incredibly clingy and cries a lot---even if she hasn't
itched for hours. She acts just like she's ill, like something on the inside
hurts. Plus she still spits up on those days (she used to spit up profusely
as a small infant). I've been nursing all along.
Did you remove rugs, curtains, etc.? We still have all of ours at this
point. We live in an old, drafty house in Massachusetts..... Did you first
see a Ped. Allergist or Ped. Derm.? How did you think to see a gastroenterologist?
What led you there? What is Allimentum?
Date: 2 Jan 1997 16:10:21 From: Debi Subject: Ice,vit C for itching/
Infantile Eczema
I tried the ice and it worked well. She wasn't happy with it but it
seemed to stop the itching. Thanks for the suggestion.
I started the rice alone. After that I added one food with the rice.
Such as carrots. When I started her on carrots I gave her carrots and rice
but nothing else. Next was green beans which I used with the rice.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 16:23:06 From: Heather Subject: Scratching "Seizures"
Patsy, I'll bet that your scratching solution works, but it sure does
make me laugh! I can just picture myself during a flare-up, wearing a cutoff
tank top under my bra, wearing my underwear inside-out, and slathering
haemorrhoid ointment on my spots! Of course, my fiance has already seen
me lounging around all greased-up in a dry- cleaning bag, so he's immune
to most odd-looking garments.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 17:09:55 From: Michael Subject: Diet/Infantile Eczema
Actually I'm allergic to spinach, but I think I am an exception.
As far as I know, Chicken and Apples are moderately high on the food
allergy list. Turkey is a safe substitute for Chicken.
Someone told me that the bacteria eats all the stuff that makes milk
such a hard food on our system. So it is sort of pre-digested already.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 19:53:52 From: Steve Subject: Infantile Eczema--more
The house is probably 90% of the problem. Move out, as quick as possible.
I know it is easy for me to say. Harder to do. I did it. It made a huge
difference. It is what all allergists recommend. The longer you accept
poor environment the more suffering and bills. Get out as fast as possible.
Move into a DRY place on a hill., Tiled. Not linoleum. Stuff can live under
linoleum. Consult an allergist and a floor speciaist. If necessary find
a fairly new place on a hill somewhere on in a high rise.
Move out Move out. Stop the suffering.
Fast. And don't wait to find a place. The baby should be moved to a
healthy environnment as soon as possible until you find a place to move
to. If this move does not prove beneficial you will know. But don't place
all your eggs in one basket. Work on the diet too. Assiduously.
It is difficult. But you in life is worth it. Make it come fast.
Date: 2 Jan 1997 20:54:28 From: Ann Subject: yoghurt vs. milk
As I understand it, the bacteria in yoghurt only make it easier to DIGEST
than plain milk (i.e. they break down the milk sugar, lactose). But if
a person is ALLERGIC to milk, it is the milk protein (casein) that causes
the reaction. So if you are milk allergic, stay away from yoghurt as well
as milk.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 03:18:05 From: Gary Subject: vaseline before showering
Vaseline BEFORE showering prevents the body's natural oils (the very
best lubricant) from being washed away. This is the main problem with showering,
especially with hot water; it dries out the skin, leading to eczema flares.
Unlike aquaphor, vaseline is not water soluble, therefore, the natural
body oils stay on, underneath the vaseline. Of course, you don't get as
clean this way, but I shower at least once a week without vaseline just
to get real clean. I would much rather be a little dirty and avoid eczema
flares. My dermatologist recommended this technique. It works well; I've
cut my steroid use way down.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 03:24:59 From: Gary Subject: Topical steroid use;
how much is too much?
This seems unnecessarily restrictive. I know we've gone round and round
on this but am I mistaken in believing that I can use medium strength topical
steroids (very) sparingly 5 or 6 times a week for the rest of my life and
still have a normal lifespan without too many major side effects?
Also, what is Temovate?
Date: 3 Jan 1997 06:13:59 From: Christine Subject: Move Out? Really?
To the parents of the infant: I had acute eczema and had just been asked
by dermatologists to go to the hospital to get better when my condition
improved so dramatically, and it wasn't because I moved out or went to
the hospital. And, I never got rid of my wall-to-wall carpeting either.
I was cured by evaporation.
You can't just blame it on the house.
I know that my rugs may irritate my skin if I lay on them for a while
(I think it's the nylon); but, I'm not going to get rid of them, I'll just
put a blanket down first. Maybe in my next house I'll do something differently.
Concerning rugs and dust mites. It isn't the mite that bothers us, it's
a protein in the waste of the mite that has the allergen. So just vacuum
with an appropriate vacuum cleaning bag that catches the allergen. My Kirby
vacuum cleaner has "micron magic filtration" with "micro particle arrest
technology". I've seen other vacuum cleaners on the market (not so expensive)
that have similar filtration systems.
I've copied some information from Allergy Supply Company "The Largest
Selection of Quality Asthma & Allergy-Related Products and Supplies."
http://aaabiz.com/AL/alhp.html (I've purchased some things from them before.)
The Allersearch ADS(TM) Anti-Allergen Dust Spray is a non-toxic formula
of 3% tannic acid, which denatures mite and pet allergen protein, rendering
it permanently non-allergic. http://aaabiz.com/AL/aframe.htm
Acarosan House Dust Mite Eliminator aids in the control of house dust
mites. Acarosan eliminates house dust mites and their larvae effectively
for six to eight months. Acarosan is registered for use with the EPA. http://aaabiz.com/AL/aframe.htm
Hypo-allergenic, anti-bacterial and machine washable/dryable, these
100% Cotton Terry Knit Pillow Covers are dust mite proof and fire retardant
with rust-proof zippers and bound seams. Bonded to 5 ga. vinyl. They also
sell Mattress Covers. http://aaabiz.com/AL/aframe.htm
Again, dust mites are harmless to people, it's the protein in the waste
of the mite that we cannot deal with. Washing linens in hot water is recommended.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 08:21:01 From: Donna Subject: yoghurt vs. milk
This is definitely correct. The acidophilus cultures in yogurt have
nothing to do with the casein (milk protein) which is the common cause
of eczematic reactions... yogurt still has casein in it. The acidophilus
DOES help those who are lactose intolerant to digest it, though.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 09:34:56 From: Kim Subject: Steve, Debi, and Julia
Just to warn you on "bag balm": the pretty strong odor may make Julia's
eyes hurt. When you open the can, it can give you a good jolt. My son doesn't
have as bad of eczema as your daughter but my ped is probably related to
yours, he ALWAYS leaves some thing out. We had a reaction to every antiboitic
he has taken in the last year and finally he tells me that the easiest
way to tell is he got runny stools right away. Well, could you please have
told me that a year and a half ago. Keep me posted on how th e homeopath
goes as that is our next step. I buy in to the intestine wall being to
thin theory but some people do not.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 09:47:52 From: Jolie Subject: Infantile Eczema--more
Dear Debbi, My son was also huge at 10lb. 9 oz. but my number two child
was 10 lb. 3 oz. and has no problems. Yes I went the traditional route
pediatritions, homeopathy, allergists, dermitologist but none of these
professionals led me to a gastroenterologist, that was on my own, I must
have the brain of a rocket scientist! This doctor of mine is very well
acquainted with this problem and has guided me thus far. I have a lot of
faith in his word. Every time I address a new solution, he has already
studied it and knows the benefits or lack thereof.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 11:10:34 From: Ann Subject: Steve & Debbie, Housing
Steve and Debbie, If you are planning a move, I strongly recommend finding
an architect who specializes in allergies and environmental illnesses.
Such a person will be knowledgable about conditions in your area and can
help you a lot (whether you are building a house , buying an existing house,
or just remodeling).
I found one through my allergist. I only paid him for one hour of his
time. He whizzed through the house and told me where to put fans and skylights,
which brands to buy etc. My house was once so mildewly that the walls looked
like they were covered with black flocked wallpaper. The window gunk was
visible from across the street! This was in spite of my scrubbing for hours
every few weeks.
The $100 I paid this architect was well spent because after our contractor
added the fans and skylights according to his instructions, and I followed
a few other pointers he gave me, we have no mildew. You are starting fresh
(new home, new little person) so it would really be beneficial to first
have an expert look at he whole situation to get you situated in the best
possible building in the best possible location.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 11:52:15 From: Fayez Subject: vaseline before showering
Gary, don't you have problem with not washing away sweat? I think if
I tried this it would be big trouble. I shower to remove sweat from the
surface of my skin, and sometimes I'll shower 2 or 3 times in a day. And
Vaseline after each.
Have you tried cold showers? Or water, just warm enough that it feels
cool to the skin. I find that it relaxes, and soothes. And cleans.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 12:01:07 From: Debbie Subject: Infantile Eczema--more
(To Jolie)
Jolie: That's great that you found this doctor you have so much faith
in...I'm quite envious.
Interesting about the birth weight thing. Actually my first born who
was 7 lbs. was 3 weeks early--so who knows what he would have been. Both
times I gained a lot--about 40 lbs. and that was while eating very "healthy"
(who knows what that really means anymore), meaning barely any sweets and
low fat. Then I lost the weight very easily postpartum too. But I was immense
and immensely uncomfortable, more than average. Thought it might have been
linked to glucose levels or something..I have 2 diabetic siblings. You
know how they often say mothers with large babies are very prone to developing
adult onset diabetes...?
Since birth, however, she's been a very slow weight gainer. She's now
only 17-18 lbs. and will be 11 months next week. How about with you?
Did you/Do you breastfeed? Did your doctor have any strong feelings
there? The homeopath recommends keeping her on breastmilk for both nutrition
and comfort level... but sometimes I wonder. A friend told me she stopped
nursing and the baby cleared up. But the baby also had a milder, more normal
case of infant eczema. Julia doesn't like to drink anything from a bottle
and still gags half the time with a cup!
Is allimentum a special formula? Where do you get it?
Date: 3 Jan 1997 12:17:06 From: Debbie Subject: Infantile Eczema--more
(To Jolie and Steve)
Jolie: I forgot to mention in the previous message that the book "Healing
Psoriasis: The Natural Alternative," is actually about this "Leaky Gut
Syndrome." So, I just ordered it--$24.95.
Steve: We're working on the idea of moving, not just because of the
baby though. We need a new location, bigger house, bigger yard, etc. We
also forced hot air, which makes us anxious to leave for Julia's sake.
But it's pretty impractical to think of a house with ceramic flooring--maybe
in Hawaii!! The floors would be freezing in the winter! But we're thinking
along the lines of hardwood floors. Dou recommend living up high to avoid
dampness and mold, mildew type thing? I never would have thought of that.
We may be building so we could look for a higher lot just as easily.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 12:37:00 From: Kelly Subject: NonNickelVitamin?
Actually TwinLab is one of the few supplement companies I do trust,
I've had various supplements tested and what they say is in them is. As
for the price, I think they're quite reasonable but I also order through
the mail, on the street any supplement price seems to be a bit of a rip
off comparatively.
Looking in my catalog... the Allergy Multi Caps, 200 ct. is $17.15,
on the street they would be $24.50 for the same. Just a note, this is a
33/day supply at 6 pills a day but it does include your total cal/mag that's
why so many.
Since you are able to take Centrum you don't seem to be highly sensitive
to supplements, TwinLab makes a vitamin called SuperTwin Multiple, it's
a mega supplement, you will have no need to take additional supplements
with this, meaning the ones taken for eczema your beta, b's, selenium,
etc. except it doesn't supply complete cal/mag. I took this for over a
year then they changed the formula and I couldn't take it any longer but
I did introduce it to a couple of my friends that are complete health freaks,
live and breathe it, they both have been taking this supplement for over
2.5 years, if I could I would still be taking it. By day 2 you will notice
an increase in energy and you will without a doubt overall feel much better,
it's my all time favorite multi. Give it a try, a month's supply is $11.63/cat.
& $15.50/str. and 2 mos. is $19.57/cat. & $27.95/str. you could
never get more for your money than this. Let me know if you do.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 12:50:42 From: Diane Subject: Move Out? Really?
There is a protein in kiwi fruits that has an amino acid secquence which
is 95% homologous to this protein from dust mite waste! Anyone allergic
to kiwi fruits?
Date: 3 Jan 1997 12:54:41 From: Diane Subject: Ski wear
Does anyone have any advice on ski wear - particularly for the face.
I am very prone to frostbite, but when I wear the usual ski tubes (neck/face
warmers), and hats etc, I develop eczema. I have seen neoprene face warmers
which form fit the face to just above the nose.. some are fleece lined.
Anyone have any experience with those?
Date: 3 Jan 1997 15:08:57 From: Jessica Subject: Infantile Eczema--more
(To Jolie & Debbi)
Eczema is a complicated skin problem, everybody is different, there
is no a standard way or medicine to cure this problem, so we have to keep
trying different things to find a best combination for our babies.
I changed my son's formula from milk-based to soy-based (3 months),
then to Alimentum (7 1/2 months), finally I find out he is so sensitive
to the food. His face eczema has obvious improvement after switching to
Alimentum (It is a special formula for Food Allergic or Colic baby). I
brought him to do an allergic test last week, he is allergic to egg, milk,
soy, peanut, walnuts. The Allergist said he is not allergic to meat, but
his eczema was getting worse last week after we tried feeding him some
meat soup for 3 days (1-2 oz/day).
It seems diet is so critical to this kinds of babies, we have to be
very, very careful when introducing new food to them. We have no family
history on eczema, I think I ate very healthy during my pregnancy (I always
followed the book) he was born at 8lb 10oz, I was 115 lb before pregnancy,
petite size, but I gained 50lb during pregnancy, I have no idea how can
he develop this skin problem. Doctors say 90% babies outgrow the eczema
before 1-2 years old, I just hope all of our babies will be one of those
90%, this is the only positive thing I heard about Infantile Eczema, which
also make me feel less frustrated.
Things I do to make him feel better (except the medicine): Day: make
him concentrate on something he is more interested in so he forgets the
itch. Night: Pat his legs gently to bring him to sleep, the skin on his
legs is red, raw, flared up, he always tries to scratch them if given any
chance.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 16:08:47 From: Kelly Subject: Topical steroid use;
how much is too much?
>> I can use medium strength topical steroids (very) sparingly 5 or
6 times a week for the rest of my life and still have a normal lifespan
without too many major side effects?<<
Yes but be very careful in making sure it is applied only to the inflamed
skin.
>> Also, what is Temovate?<<
There are several brands in each catagory of potencies, this is one
of them from the highest potency. When I first started using it, 7+? years
ago, I was told I could only use it legally for ten days and then I had
to throw it away, I laughed at him and since them no one has ever said
this to me again so I don't know if it's still in effect. I didn't laugh
at him to be a bitch, I was just thinking that I was stepping up again
and if the new stuff worked, it wasn't trash bound. I do use it every other
day on some spots that refuse to heal but not all over just a few times
a year when it goes out of control.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 17:19:27 From: Jolie Subject: To Debbi-Book
I have the book and read the first 1/3, all sounds great until you reach
the paragraph that says this information is not applicable if you were
born with the disorder... However, I do practice the spinal manipulation
as shown to me by a massage therapist. He loves the exercise and who knows,
it just might help.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 17:47:33 From: Cecile Subject: Steve & Debbie,
Housing
By any chance, does anyone know whether there would be a difference
to allergy-type persons if one was to have one's house insulated by having
the insulation "blown" into the attic versus the other "non-blown" type
attic insulation installed? My contractor says there should be no problem
since the attic will be closed off after. He says there should not be any
"fallout" of the insulation material. Any ideas on the subject?
Date: 3 Jan 1997 18:17:34 From: Wren Subject: Steve: Microwave cooking
and nutrition
I was FINALLY able to remember to look up the answer to your inquiry.
I have this habit of remembering important items when I'm in the car or
shower, then forgetting them when I'm near what needs to be done. Sigh.
Only 40 and my mind is a sieve.
Anyway, here's a quote from page 20 of one of my favorite books, Healing
with Whole Foods: Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition by Paul Pitchford,
and published by North Atlantic Books in Berkeley, California,
"Microwave cooking, a development since [Rudolph] Steiner's time, seems
to damage the molecular integrity of food, diminishing it's subtle qi [or
chi, "life force or vital energy"]. Experiments reported in the prestigious
British journal The Lancet (Dec. 9th, 1989) demonstrate that microwave
cooking alters food enough to cause, upon ingestion, "structural, functional
and immunological changes" in the body. The report further states that
microwaves transform the amino acid L-proline into D-proline, a proven
toxin to the nervous system, liver, and kidneys."
I found Healing With Whole Foods at the bargain book table at Price
Club for $10, so look for it at used and discount stores if you are interested.
It gives interesting and complete descriptions of what foods to eat and
WHY to help improve many medical conditions.
Date: 3 Jan 1997 21:09:43 From: Ann Subject: kiwi-dust connection
Diane, What you said about kiwi and dustmites is very interesting. My
allergist once did a RAST test on me (they draw your blood and then test
it for allergens to spare you the anaphalaxis that might occur with a scratch
test) for kiwi. I had no idea why she did it as kiwi is something I don't
think I've ever eaten or plan to eat. NOW I know she was seeing if I was
as violently allergic to kiwi as I was to dustmites. I tested "not allergic"
to kiwi, BUT this test was done after I had been receiving allergy shots
for dustmites. So I wonder if decreasing my sensitivity to dust also decreased
my resction to kiwi? I have always had a very strong taste aversion to
all tropical fruits.
Date: 4 Jan 1997 06:07:02 From: Rebecca Subject: Kiwi Fruit
When I was about 15 I went away for a week with my family. For breakfast
in the hotel there was a huge fruitbowl, and I had never tried kiwi fruit.
I had 2 that morning, and was so sick that day. I spent the whole day in
bed with a burning mouth and no energy. I only have to have a tiny amount
of kiwi to make my mouth burn. (I haven't had any in years!) Diane, I had
no idea about this similarity in amino acid sequence, and I found it really
interesting. I suppose that I was lucky in a way that my eczema didn't
appear until 10 years later.
Date: 4 Jan 1997 08:16:05 From: Toby Subject: Impressions & Knowledge
I tried evaporation of wet sheets once and will try it again...I found
it interesting. It felt like it was drawing out stuff from my skin. This
might make sense cause the skin is the largest organ in our body and a
lot of elimination should happen that way.
I've noticed that when I flare up I don't seem to sweat and I tend to
get constipated. It feels like my skin is working overtime to get rid of
stuff (toxins my body produces from allergies? I don't know). I drink a
lot of water when this happens. So, I have to experiment with it further...
Date: 4 Jan 1997 09:47:54 From: Phila Subject: Wanted - Knowledge
I have hand eczema. The following help, when I practice them:
Use vinyl gloves to wash dishes and when using household chemicals,
soak hands in cold water when you have a flareup, followed by a moisturizer
and if necessary steroid cream. Avoid dish liquids like the plague. When
you must wash your hands, use superfatted soap or a health food soap made
with an olive oil base and slather moisturizer on before drying your hands.
Keep your house temperature cool. Don't wear wool if you're allergic, and
don't use moisturizers containing lanolin.
Date: 4 Jan 1997 10:47:19 From: Patsy Subject: Wanted - Knowledge
About Hand Eczema: That's where mine first appeared, and except for
a few patches between fingers, at the moment it is quiet. My MD wrote me
a presciption for industrial strength cortisone ointment. She had me put
a thin coat on all flare-ups every night and then wear white cotton gloves
to sleep in. As I've mentioned before, I have no cotton gloves so I used
socks. It took about 2 weeks of this before I can say it subsided substantially.
But using this regime when there is a major breakout, I can say I've kept
major problems from developing on my hands since then.
Date: 4 Jan 1997 14:23:43 From: Ann Subject: evaporation
For me, evaporation is less effective than conventional wet wrapping.
(By conventional wet wrapping , I mean wearing soaking wet cotton right
next to the skin covered by a dry layer of clothes; no medicine other than
water is used). For me, neither evaporation nor wet wrapping does anything
for the allergic reaction that comes from under the skin. What the wet
wrapping does for me is combat the dryness and relieve the itching.
I have been told by several doctors that my skin is not dry by nature;
the dryness comes from the allergic inflammation. There ARE people who
have eczema because their skin is dry to begin with and therefore gets
easily irritated. THESE are the people who I would imagine benefit the
most from evaporation (and wet wrapping) because hydrating the skin is
getting to the ROOT of THEIR problem. For ME, any form of hydration is
just a treatment and the heavy wet wrapping seems to work better than the
evaporation.
Date: 4 Jan 1997 18:01:00 From: Edward Subject: hand eczema
What is your occupation, and do you have any particular hobbies? I think
you will find that some of us with hand eczema think that there is some
relationship to our occupations, particularly if it seems to improve after
weekends or vacations.
I read the comments about cotton gloves. I too use 100% cotton gloves
for certain tasks. The nicest source of cotton gloves that I have found
so far is Allerderm (they have an 800#) - if you are interested, ask about
the pure white 100% cotton gloves (they also have an off-white cotton glove,
but this is more of a mesh-like material). They are washable and reusable.
I also like these because they come in 3 sizes (small, medium, and large)
- the ladies can look for gloves in the cosmetics section of a local pharmacy,
but it isn't easy to locate gloves that will fit a man's hand. Allerderm
is also a medical glove supplier, so they sell vinyl gloves as well.
Date: 5 Jan 1997 07:35:44 From: Christine Subject: Wet Wraps/Evaporation
I see three methods of wet wraps so far:
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Putting wet cotton clothes on and covering up with dry ones.
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Just putting damp sheets on, and maybe covering up under the covers; or,
if it's too chilly to do that, you can also sit in a bathtub with just
enough WARM water to make you more comfortable. Then, put the damp sheet
on the inflammation. Keep warming the water and draining the cooled water
so you don't get too cold. Remember, as the water evaporates out of the
sheet, inflammation is breaking down.
-
I remember someone on the list saying they went to the hospital and were
put in a tub of water with some kind of solution and then wet heavy towels
were laid on them. The person who mentioned this method said it wasn't
comfortable. I thought that this last method was the conventional method
of wet wrapping. Is this last method still practiced?
I like what you do, Ann, although I've never tried it, because I never
heard about it; but, I have a feeling that it will help like the other
method that I call the evaporation method. When my Dr. told me to put damp
sheets on my skin, I asked him what in doing that would help. I said, "Hydration."
He said the evaporation would break down skin inflammation. That stuck
in my mind. That's why I named it the evaporation method; I don't think
any medical professional ever gave it that name.
I find that if I use a damp pillow case to rid an itch while I'm under
my covers, that would be practically the same thing as what you do. Because,
I would have damp cotton material on my skin covered up by something dry.
You know. Any way, the way you do it would make it more flexible, because
I wouldn't be all wrapped up in sheets and blankets. The only difference
I see is that you say to use soaking wet clothes, and in the other method
the water should be squeezed out of the pillow case or sheet before it's
put on the skin.
Perhaps one could take 100% light weight cotton pajamas, dampen them
and put them on, and then maybe put another pair of those pajamas on top
so that it's not too cold. I use white 100% cotton sheets, if possible,
because a lot of sheets are polyester blends, and some polyester blends
make me feel a little itchy. A white 100% cotton dress shirt could be used.
Come to think of it, I can even picture men from India wearing something
I may be interested in using. I bet we can even find something for outside
wear to accomplish our purpose while we are outside. That's progress.
Date: 5 Jan 1997 09:31:04 From: Bruce Subject: hand eczema
My wife and I really appreciate the response we have had to a posting
asking for tips from the group. She tried just wetting her hands and letting
them air dry yesterday and was amazed at how the itching was relieved.
One thing we have tried that helps during a mild to moderate flare-up.
The over the counter medication Aleve is the prescription medication Naprosyn,
originally developed for arthritis. It is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory.
When my wife has a flare-up going, her fingers swell and crack. She cannot
bend the fingers. After a couple of days of Aleve (1 or 2 tabs per day
and it does require a few days to build up to a therapeutic blood level),
the swelling is significantly reduced.
My wife just reminded me to pass along that she has found using vinyl
gloves in the shower (avoidance of irritants) has also help a lot and that
this is something that is often overlooked.
Date: 5 Jan 1997 10:30:23 From: Kierstin Subject: epo
I too have your eczema, although after 12 years I am now 80% cured.
I have had amazing success by taking Evening Primrose Oil - but here's
the key!!!!!!!!!! You must take a very large dose every day to do any good,
a small dose does nothing! Infact I would suggest that if you haven't tried
this remedy, you must!!!!!!!!!!! So long as you stick with the large doses
- e.g approx 9 - 12 capsules per day.
Date: 5 Jan 1997 10:34:59 From: Ann Subject: Aleve (Naprosyn)
Bruce, YES! ME TOO! When I injured my shoulder a few years ago, I was
on Naprosyn for a couple of months. Much to my surprise, whatever eczema
I had at the time ( at that point I was not covered with it) vanished.
I notified the eczema association and they said they would pass that info
on to the skin research people.
I'm no doctor but I would think that Naprosyn is safer than steroids
for long term use. At the time this happened to me, eczema was not much
of a problem for me , so I didn't even consider trying to extend the prescription.
But now, I think I will try the Aleve. How does the OTC dose compare to
prescription strength Naprosyn? BTW, the Naprosyn helped the shoulder pain
a lot, but it took YEARS for the shoulder to completely heal.
Date: 5 Jan 1997 11:12:34 From: Wayne Subject: Ice Suit
Steve, I've adopted the ice-on-itchy-inflamed-skin approach. You seem
to use the ice-in-cloth method. My problem was that the melting ice on
those hot, itchy spots sometimes made me itch.
So, some of you may already be doing this, but when I was in the local
drug store I walked past the picnic section and they had these bags you
freeze and put into a cooler to keep things cold when outside. Anyway,
I bought a Rubbermaid brand called Blue Ice. During flare-ups I take it
to work. I've been using it on the recurring itchy/inflamed spots on my
legs. Works well.
Date: 5 Jan 1997 11:42:20 From: Kierstin Subject: Move Out? Really?
All I need do is put the kiwifruit near my lips and I feel the burning!
I also only need to open a dusty drawer and it irritates the hell out of
me!
Date: 5 Jan 1997 16:10:50 From: Shelley Subject: kiwi/evaporation/drums/massage
I have no trouble eating kiwi occasionally. In fact, I ate one yesterday.
But now that I know it has some similarity to dust mites, I will probably
not eat a pile of them at one sitting.
As for evaporation, I must confess that I have not tried it. The idea
of being wet in bed does not appeal to me. I can't imagine being able to
sleep if I was wet. I can deal with ice because it's cold but not wet.
When I'm wet, I need to lubricate immediately afterwards otherwise I get
dried out and even itchier.
My flare-up seems to be improving. I was able to sleep the night before
last with only one scratching fit, and then last night I slept through
without any scratching at all. Hooray! It's always so difficult to figure
out what causes improvement, but I guess it could be that I've been channeling
energy through my hands in different ways (drumming!).
Date: 5 Jan 1997 16:49:07 From: Shelley Subject: Bruises from accumulated
steroid use
I've been getting bruises (black and blue marks) all over my body in
the last year. I had started thinking that I was getting chronic leukemia,
which my mother had, but my doctor just told me that I'm probably getting
them from using steroids on my skin for 40 years. She said that there's
no other complications to fear, but it's certainly a distressing side effect
that doctors never warned me about. Each bruise lasts for about a week
before disappearing, but soon enough I get another one in a new location.
Right now I have about six of them.
So people wondering about the long-term effects of steroids should be
aware of this. I have thin skin that tears easily and now these bruises.
After 40 years of use I guess I'm lucky compared to others.
I've never had a doctor say anything restrictive about using Temovate,
in fact I easily got another Rx for it last week. I use it sparingly since
my scalp isn't too bad. My last bottle lasted 3 years. It's all the ointments
and creams that I've used daily which are likely the culprit.
Date: 5 Jan 1997 20:45:04 From: Ann Subject: wet wraps and bruises
Shelley, Glad to hear that you are doing better. If you are curious
about wet wrapping but fear the discomfort, I recommend starting with just
one body part (i.e. one leg or arm or just the neck etc.). That way you
can see if it helps without risking hypothermia.
BTW, it's much easier to put on clothes that have been soaked in HOT
water. Grease your skin before putting on the wet wraps. My skin feels
positively dewy after a wet wrap (I grease it again then to trap this moisture).
Unfortunately, though, the rash is still there! My hands seemed to get
worse with wet wraps and the fingernails began to disintegrate. Wet wraps
completely kill the itch for me.
About the bruises, are you sure they aren't simply from hard scratching?
I thought that the bruises from steroid use were permanent. If yours eventually
fade, maybe they are something else.
Date: 5 Jan 1997 20:54:37 From: Bruce Subject: antihistamine &
itching
My wife was given hydroxyzine from her dermo and it really helps the
itching especially at night. This is a prescription med although it has
been around for decades and is quite mild. But the rather cool thing about
it if taken at night for itching, the side effect of drowsiness helps one
sleep through the night.
Date: 5 Jan 1997 21:31:53 From: Mark Subject: advice
I am loathed to get rid of the carpets. Ours is an old house with false
floor where the wind whistles through, in fact we were thinking of replacing
our old carpets soon with something that might improve the heat retention.
With the temperature at home at the moment Tom's comment about freezing
the dust mites to death takes on its own reality.
Talking of temperature we are finding it difficult keeping Sam at a
comfortable temperature, we layer the clothes when we go out so that it
is easy to take layers off if Sam gets too hot, but he has already started
itching by then. We also spray his bandages with water in the evening but
he hates this and he gets too cold when he goes to bed.
Date: 5 Jan 1997 21:36:29 From: Patsy Subject: antihistamine &
itching
There are a number of good antihistamines on the market, and I expect
you will go through all of them before this is over. One nasty little aspect
of this horrid condition is that we tend to build up a tolerance to treatments.
That's why I try to alternate antihistimines, topical applications, and
whatever else I'm trying at any given moment. They all seem to work better
if not used continually. And you're right about the drowsiness as a side
effect. But I'm finding that that's not as much an issue with me as it
was when I first began dealing with the drugs.
Date: 5 Jan 1997 22:37:03 From: Steve Subject: alternating drugs worth
THINKING about.
Not only do the drugs loose their effectiveness, one can develop a sensitivity
to a drug that started out helping you. This may happen more with antibiotics,
I am not sure.
Date: 6 Jan 1997 03:56:46 From: Brigit Subject: evaporation
The one time I tried the evaporation method it made me cry out with
pain, it was so horrible, this continuous contact of my skin with water.
What I'd done is, I'd taken a pair of thin cotton gloves and put them
on wet. My hands were very bad to begin with, but they were even worse
(did not think this was possible) when after some ten minutes I could no
longer stand the pain and tore them off.
Water hurts like hell on some types of my eczema.
Found a jar of Sudocrem in the supermarket (next to the paper nappies
on the shelf), and it's GREAT. This stuff has over 15% of zinc oxide (as
opposed to 10% in standard zinc ointment) and it's 4 times as cheap as
zinc ointment (which is not expensive either). It smells lovely, too, of
cinnamon.
Ever since I started using zinc ointment on my feet I walk without pain
again! There's hardly any sores left, as long as I use it every night.
If you haven't tried it yet, do so now, you might be lucky and find it
does for you what it does for me!
Date: 6 Jan 1997 09:59:42 GMT From: Stephen Subject: Any new shampoos
?
My wife has been using a "safe" selection of shampoos for ages but she
has recently started to have an itchy scalp. She uses "eczema" shampoos
at all times. There are no visible problems with her scalp. Has anyone
found any shampoos recently that we may not know about and thus will not
have tried ? The best one we have found in the past is Camilla Heppers
shampoo but it seems like our good run is over. Believe it or not what
happen to my wife usually happens to me later - a sort of sympathetic eczema.
Date: 6 Jan 1997 10:11:01 From: Heather Subject: Mildew in house, allergy
tests
Whoa! Hey! I'm having a brainstorm; read this & tell me if I'm on
the right track.
Ann, I read what you wrote about the mildew problems in your house.
I live on the top floor of an old, leaky apt. house, and I've noticed that
my eczema tends to flare during damp weather; my fiance has noticed this
as well. There have been numerous leaks in the roof (which the roofer is
working on now) and leaks around the window frames in our bedroom; the
latter resulted in small black mildew spots on the wall. Is it possible
that I'm having a reaction to the mildew? The bedroom is very small and
we tend to have the door closed at night (I often run an evaporative humidifier
during the winter, but I keep that clean).
A related question: I've been having a flare-up over the weekend and
have been racking my brain, trying to think of what I might have done differently.
I'm starting to think of pressing my dermatologist for allergy tests (I
have had the adhesive patches, but never a skin prick test). Do any of
you think that it will be worth it for me to badger my HMO until they agree
to test me? Have any of you found a few allergens which have made a difference
in your eczema? I know that this must be a common question, but thanks
for any help.
Date: 6 Jan 1997 10:24:09 From: Kes Subject: antihistamine & itching
Hydroxyzine is ATARAX or VISTARIL
Date: 6 Jan 1997 10:33:40 From: Ann Subject: misc.replies
T-Gel shampoo and conditioner by Neutrogena are excellent for controlling
powdery, itchy scalp. A pharmacist told me that the T-gel products are
much better for eczema people than other dandruff shampoos (like Head and
Shoulders etc.). Expensive but worth it.
Heather, YES, it is very likely that you are mildew sensitive. I highly
recommend that you get allergy tested and go ahead with shots if it looks
like you have the appropriate allergies. Be sure to get a qualified allergist
to do the testing and be sure that she/he is enlightened about the pollen-eczema
connection. (Some old-school types still believe that allergy shots won't
help eczema). My skin got worse when I started the shots, but now it is
much better.
Date: 6 Jan 1997 11:28:30 From: Ken Subject: Kiwi Fruit
Yes, I'm quite allergic to kiwi as well as to dates -- the fruit :).
I also have dust mite allergies.
Date: 6 Jan 1997 14:22:36 From: Michael Subject: evaporation
I haven't heard of using Zinc ointment for eczema. What is it and what
does it do?
Date: 6 Jan 1997 14:32:21 From: Kelly Subject: misc.replies
T-Gel is recommended by derms but she/he can also give you a prescription
shampoo.
Date: 6 Jan 1997 16:42:56 From: Ken Subject: Zinc Oxide for Eczema
No knowledge of zinc oxide for eczema before now. I have only heard
of it with respect to putting it on one's nose to avoid sunburn.
Date: 6 Jan 1997 16:59:56 From: Phil Subject: antihistamine & itching
I have used hydroxyzine too. It supresses the central nervous system
and basically knocks you out. That is why you stop scratching. I have had
problems taking this as I felt drugged the next morning.
Date: 6 Jan 1997 17:51:52 From: Patsy Subject: antihistamine &
itching
This is a fascinating discussion of antihistimines, and one I hope we
will continue. But Phil's suggestion that atarax and vistaril work on the
central nervous system and therefore knock you out concerns me.
I have prescriptions for both drugs and while they helped when I first
got the prescriptions, they don't work any more. But I never felt 'drugged'
with either, even when first taking them. I guess every body reacts differently.
And now that I've built up a tolerance to them, I might as well be swallowing
a tic tac for all the good they do. I'm leaving them off for awhile hoping
to be able to go back to them later and find them effective again.
Date: 6 Jan 1997 17:59:42 From: Christine Subject: Zinc Oxide Ointment
Zinc Oxide Ointment is a "topical astringent". It's very white and very
thick. My tube of the ointment contains: zinc oxide, white wax, liquid
petrolatum and white petrolatum base. The tube says: Use externally for
minor skin irritations and abrasions and as a soothing and protective ointment
to promote healing of chapped or chafed skin.
A lot of people use it as a sun block. They put it on their nose and
cheeks for protection from the sun.
Date: 6 Jan 1997 18:13:58 From: Kelly Subject: evaporation
Zinc is a wound healer and we with eczema tend to be low on this mineral
that's why the increase of it helps us. General rule is not to apply more
than once a day as too much zinc (anything) will aggravate our condition.
I personally very, very rarely use it due to, as everyone knows, I hate
the feel of it but Brigit I know has been playing around with it and has
learned different products have different amounts of zinc, so I'm sure
by now she has a pretty good idea as to how much to use and how often.
Different brands contain different ingredients such as beeswax or mineral
oil, they are not all the same.
Date: 6 Jan 1997 18:36:10 From: Kelly Subject: Cleansing Bar
I've been experimenting again and found a soap substitute that I haven't
shown any sensitivities to yet, just wanted to pass it along. It's Johnson
& Johnson's Ultra Sensitive Baby Cleansing Bar that contains Camomile,
which apparently it can't contain too much as the bar is white. And what
I thought was funny is that on the box it says it can even be used for
babies with eczema, didn't notice that until I brought it home. I buy items
for their ingredients not their sales pitch.
Date: 6 Jan 1997 19:05:28 From: Kathleen Subject: Zinc Oxide for Eczema
I have never heard that either. I have been taking Atarax and using
betnovate for about 13 years now. The funny thing is, my doctor had told
me that my body is low on zinc, but she has never told me about the relation
it had to eczema!
Date: 7 Jan 1997 00:37:13 From: Faith Subject: zinc deficiency?
The subject of zinc deficiency possibly contributing to eczema just
piqued my curiosity. I eat a somewhat limited diet, and have wondered on
and off if I am perhaps a bit low on some nutrient or other that might
come down and bite me down the road.
For those of you who have had such a correlation between low zinc levels
and eczema -- how did you determine this? and are there any other vitamins/nutrients/minerals/etc.
that might be involved where eczema is concerned, either as a lack or as
an overage?
Concidentally, I just picked up a new bottle of calcium/magnesium/zinc
tablets. Methinks I'll put myself on a regular regimen of them, see if
it makes a difference! (they're just 100% RDA tablets, nothing weird or
excessive...)
Date: 7 Jan 1997 04:23:30 From: Brigit Subject: zinc ointment
Zinc ointment is zinc oxide in an ointment base (which could be anything,
depending on the manufacturer). The active ingredient is the zinc oxide.
It's a very old-fashioned eczema treatment, my mother tells me it was
prescribed for me when I was little, before steroids came into fashion
(or perhaps before she hit on a derm dr. who went for steroids).
As I wrote before, what I buy as "zinc ointment" contains 10%, the Sudocrem
(spelling is correct) contains 15%. In addition, the Sudocrem label lists
more ingredients (don't have the jar here, but one of them ended in something
like "cinnamate", which might well explain the lovely cinnamonny smell).
I don't know if these additional ingredients are active ingredients or
not.
Everybody else seems to refer to the stuff as thick; but what I buy
is not thick at all, it's rich, but more creamy than ointmenty if you see
what I mean. The Sudocrem label promises that it would "not stick to the
nappies", and I imagine it wouldn't. It certainly does not stick to or
stain the nice stockings that I can now wear again!
I liberally apply it to my feet every night, and sometimes in the morning
too.
NOTE: I really do not know if there's a connection between zinc oxide
topically and zinc orally. I intend to find out, though!
Anyone interested in food (supplements as well as diet) and eczema,
get Stephen Terrass' "Eczema and Psoriasis", Thorson's, 1995. The book
treats both eczema and psoriasis from a nutritional point of view. It goes
into causes, symptoms, and most importantly nutritional approaches to relief,
both dietary and using food supplements. The price is in the GBP5 range,
there was an USD price on the cover as well.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 08:39:06 From: Kelly Subject: zinc ointment
Any pharmacist will mix you up a combo with whatever % of zinc you would
like and whatever ingredients, it's your choice, you don't have to depend
on retail. Pharmacists are handy people to have around for our condition,
they'll mix anything, leaving out the crap ingredients.
Yours has a low zinc level, stuff I can get is 30% so that might be
why it's not thick to you.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 08:48:58 From: Kelly Subject: wet gloves
I know this pain very first hand, before I went into hospital, I would
get in the tub (not a shower, I couldn't take the pelting feeling) and
scream on the initial contact and end up crying through the bath and I'm
not a crier, I was just in a lot of pain.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 11:55:42 From: Christine Subject: Zinc Oxide Ointment
for Eczema
Just within the last 24 hours, I've been trying zinc oxide ointment
on a few patches of dry eczema here and there, and I like what I see so
far. I do. I will report my progress to the group in a day or so after
continuing my observation. In particular, I had a stubborn patch just above
my knee for a week or so. One overnight treatment of zinc oxide ointment
improved the condition. It really seems to promote healing as I view it
working on my skin.
My 4-year-old son has three small patches of eczema. I will begin to
use irritant-free products on him. I didn't want to start using corticosteriods.
I put some zinc oxide ointment on the three patches, and it is working
by softening and fading the patches.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 13:13:22 From: Heather Subject: zinc ointment, BetaVal,
RI drugstore (long)
Nobody had ever told me about tar or zinc oxide until I finally got
to see the oldest dermatologist at my HMO. He has been working in Dermatology
since before steroids were popular, and he prescribed 1% coal tar in a
zinc oxide base for persistent spots of eczema that didn't respond to BetaVal.
It doesn't have the amazing effect that BetaVal has, but I do use it when
I feel that I've been using the steroid in one place for too long. It smells
bad but has the benefit of coloring- in the depigmented spots on my skin,
a boon during shorts weather.
I do think I'll try taking zinc as well, since I'm a vegetarian and
am often careless about getting all my vitamins.
Side question: on a general scale, how strong is BetaVal ointment .01%
? (I think that's the percentage I'm using). Is it medium- potency, med./high
potency, etc.? The Dr. prescribed a treatment for occasional flare-ups,
consisting of warm baths, application of BetaVal, and sitting around in
a dry-cleaning bag (*new* bag) for a couple of hours. It works, and I understand
that occlusive dressings increase the absorption of the steroid and therefore
increase the potency; I'm only supposed to do these treatments as a last
resort, for 1 week at a time... which is fine with me!
Date: 7 Jan 1997 13:58:49 From: Alex Subject: Zinc Oxide Ointment for
Eczema
I heard about zinc on the sci.med.nutrition newsgroup. I've been to
5 different dematologists, and they never mentioned it. They never mentioned
anything about nutrition.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 14:11:04 From: Alex Subject: zinc ointment
I read on sci.med.nutrition that if you take a lot of zinc for a long
time, you can develop a copper deficiency (I don't know what the symptoms
of that are. This would only apply to taking zinc orally, however. BTW,
this was in the same post where I heard about zinc as a treatment for eczema.
It seems that a lot of OTC products have warnings about side effects
and/or long term use. Is there anything mentioned on the zinc oxide tube?
Date: 7 Jan 1997 15:04:34 From: Richard Subject: More on Zinc Oxide
I just want to caution that there is a tendency when talking about eczema
to think that we are all talking about the *same thing*. It is clear to
me that since different things work for different people, that the issues
are different. For example, my eczema is not local to certain parts of
the body. It isn't weepy. It shows up as dry red skin very much like a
sunburn that doesn't go away over most of my body. The itching is very
deep like an allergy. My guess is that there are some on the list like
me and others with different stuff entirely.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 15:43:39 From: Faith Subject: Atarax & itching
My Dad was always raving about how great Atarax was, and that it wasn't
the kind of thing that knocked you out. He swore by it. Me, I swear at
it -- I took it once, right before bed, and felt completely drugged until
most of the way through the following day. Nasty stuff, for me...
Date: 7 Jan 1997 15:47:39 From: Christine Subject: Side Effects of
Zinc Oxide Ointment
On the tube that I have, there are no cautions or warnings concerning
use of zinc oxide ointment when used properly. (It just says DON'T EAT
IT.) Maybe there was something else on the box (which I don't have), and
maybe there wasn't. We should find that out pretty easily.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 16:10:17 From: Debbie Subject: Zinc, Colloidal Minerals
for Eczema
When I first began researching eczema, allergies, etc. (a few months
ago) I read somewhere about both Vit C and Zinc for promoting healing of
skin. I remember thinking that this zinc connection sounded logical since
zinc oxide is used for lifeguard sunblock and it's in those diaper rash
ointments like Desitin (very thick and white). Now, I don't remember if
the book mentioned zinc oxide or if I just made the association.
I haven't tried yet on my 10 month old's eczema though because I don't
want her fingers to get into it.. and then scratch her eyes or something.
I have started liquid Vit C this week though.
Jolie recommended liquid Colloidal Trace Minerals (74 minerals). She
said she began that (along with a certain massage technique recommended
for "Leaky Gut Syndrome" type of eczema) and her child has vastly improved
since then. I just started my daughter on that today. The woman in the
health food store agreed with this (told me it worked wonders for a diabetic
kid she knows whose disease was way out of control) and she told me about
the amino acid "glutamine" that is related to digestive troubles and atrophied
muscles, etc.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 16:30:06 From: Kelly Subject: zinc ointment
Zinc and copper compete for absorbtion and if they're out of balance,
the dominant (as to proportion, you always need more zinc) will allow less
of the other. As with any supplementation there has to be balance and you
can't have balance if you don't know what you are doing. Too much of anything
will lead to a deficiency in something, it all works together.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 16:35:55 From: Kelly Subject: Zinc, Colloidal Minerals
for Eczema
Liquid C leaks the calcium out of the teeth and don't use chewables
either same effect. This is another one of those areas you don't want to
play with when it comes to supplementation.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 16:53:44 From: Christopher Subject: responsibility
Through reseach, I am now taking many vitamin supplements that have
all but eliminated my eczema. The only thing I am taking that my dermatologist
recommended is prescription, and it is called Elocon, and it is an ointment.
It has always helped A LITTLE BIT, but in combination with the vitamin
regimen that I am now taking, my eczema went from very inflamed to almost
non-existent.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 17:22:51 From: Kelly Subject: zinc ointment
I don't suggest twice a day, only once because too much will worsen
the condition, I've said this before. It's like anything else with this
condition, start out at the lowest, increasing gradually when the effect
doesn't equal the increase you are probably saturated and need to reduce.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 17:41:01 From: Alex Subject: zinc ointment
I would like to point out that the statement "steroids are toxic" is
no more or less accurate than saying "Zinc is toxic". Steroids are a class
of organic compounds, many of which are produced by the body and are necessary
for normal bodily function. Too much exogenous steroid can be toxic, just
like too much zinc can be toxic, as Kelly, and others, pointed out.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 18:05:49 From: Phil Subject: Zinc Oxide Ointment for
Eczema
I've been reading up on zinc, and one thing I found is supposedly cortisone
interferes with the absorption of it. Also it said that taking too much
can weaken the immune system. Hmmm...
Date: 7 Jan 1997 20:29:39 From: Steve Subject: Heather/Mildew in house,
allergy tests
Heather, I think the odds are about 100:1 that you are having trouble
with your apt's mold/mildew. Talk with your allergist.
It is doubtful that fixing the roof is going to cure the problem. The
mold is already pervasive. Get out or suffer. Why suffer? Choose the joys
of life instead of the pits.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 20:36:33 From: Sharon Subject: Ear Eczema
I have suffered from ear eczema since I can remember. I never remember
NOT having it. I have never had eczema anywhere else on my body and I don't
think I have any allergies (I've never been tested for allergies.)
This condition is extremely annoying and embarrasing. I am constantly
itching my ears. My dermatologist prescribed a drug called Ultravate. From
what I understand it is a very strong steroid. I am trying to conceive
a child and the warning label cautions use during pregnancy (causes cleft
lips in unborn child).
Even with the use of Ultravate, the problem will get better temporarily
but always comes back. I have a few questions:
-
Will this condition ever go away?
-
Is there a safer drug or therapy that I could use or try.
-
What causes eczema (especially eczema in the ears).
My dermatologist says that it's the worst case he's ever seen. It is inside
my ear, and does not go down into the drum area. It's gotten to the point
where I am constantly at my ears (even using the medication). I can't stand
the itching and have to clean my ears 3 times a day. They bleed and it's
very unattractive.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 20:45:29 From: Christopher Subject: Ear Eczema
Well, it really depends as to why you have the conditon. From my understanding
of eczema, it is because of irritants. My eczema is primarily because of
allergies, but because of the extensive ammount of allergies I have, it
is impossible to eat a decent meal without being allergic to something
in it.
I have been able to control my condition by eating less of things that
I am allergic to, as well as using vitamin E, vitamin C, a Nature's Biotics
tablet (it forms a special type of bacteria in the intestines that is destroyed
by food preservatives that supposedly helps many different ailments), vitamin
A, and a topically applied steroid (I believe) ointment called Elocon.
This is what helps me.
I know the problem that you are experiencing with the eczema in the
ears, to some extent. When I was younger I had a similar problem, but it
was outside of the ear canal, on the upper portion of the outside of the
ear (where if one had glasses, that is where they would sit). I was never
able to alleviate the problem. I finally just decided NOT to scratch it,
and through fervent prayers, it disappeared (hey, divine intervention is
just as good as medication <g> ) It may have also disappeared simply
because my body chemistry changed as I got older.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 20:55:08 From: Steve Subject: Housing
Is there such a thing as a mildew resistant material? I think asking
an architect with environmental training is the thing to do. Perhaps there
is some other authority. I would like to know too.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 21:36:24 From: Ann Subject: ear eczema
Sharon, Me too! Sometimes everywhere that my ears join my head is a
red weepy crack! I have fantasized about removing my outer ears! ( Just
a joke, but I would still hear pretty well, right?) I get cracks in the
folds of the ear too. Cracks at top of ears have been there as long as
I can remember and make wearing glasses painful. My ear canals are affected
too.
I used to scratch heavily with Q-tips until I got them badly infected
right down to the drums. Can't have Q-tips in house or I will abuse them;
huge buzz from scratching ear canals.
I was told that ear eczema IS a definite sign of allergy. However, if
that's your only atopic problem, maybe it's something else. Could it be
hairspray or shampoo? I find that coating the ears with vaseline protects
from shampoo. Often the outside cracks become infected and need antibiotic
ointment in addition to steroids. Don't feel like you have less of a problem
than those of us with more area covered by eczema. One small severe (or
even a not so severe) area can be overwhelming.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 21:59:27 From: Kathleen Subject: My eyes
My eczema has gotten really bad around my eyes to where under my eyes
crack open and bleed :P Westcort 0.2% ointment Hydrocortisone Valerate.
I don't know much about meds and she told me this one I could use on my
face, including around my eyes.. the face part I have no problem with (should
I?) , but I am scared to put this stuff around my eyes.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 22:23:11 From: Phil Subject: Ear Eczema
I have it all around the outside of my ears. Sometimes I swear that
they are ready to crack off. It really hurts. One thing I do that seems
to help is break open Vitamin E capsules and rub that on it. It doesn't
take it away but it helps with the itching. Maybe try putting that on after
the steroid.
Date: 7 Jan 1997 22:52:07 From: Kes Subject: antihistamine & itching
Hydroxyzine (ATARAX) aside from having antihistamine properties, is
also used as a mild sedative and an anti-anxiety agent.. obviously we all
react differently to meds, but usually drowsiness is dose dependent and
since hydroxyzine comes in 10, 25 & 50 mg, lower doses should be used
first 'and titrated upward, especially for daytime dosing. Hangovers may
occur from bedtime dosing.
Date: 8 Jan 1997 00:35:46 From: Lisa Subject: My eyes
I had bad reactions around my eyes and lids to many creams, but have
found that I can tolerate Westcort. In fact, it's the only one that doesn't
cause my eye area to swell. I use as little (and as infrequently) as possible.
Westcort, however, does contain propylene glycol, which can be an irritant.
In fact, I've recently stopped using Cetaphil after two years of washing
my face with it because it contains p.g. Have seen marked improvement around
my eyes: much less dry and itchy, no flares.
Excuse me for thinking out loud, but maybe it'll help: I've found that
while Westcort helps, it doesn't work wonders for me, and leaves brown
discoloration around eyes for a couple weeks, but sometimes it's better
than nothing. Doesn't seem too far-fetched to suggest the p.g. connection
here, eh? I plan to stop using Westcort and try evaporation next time.
Date: 8 Jan 1997 04:54:49 From: Christine Subject: Eczema Inside Ear
I've never heard of UltraVate. If it isn't helping, though, it is probably
time to try something else. Can you ask if UltraVate has lanolin? Christopher
mentioned Elocon; my husband has had a good experience using that on his
face (for allergies). I would call the dermatologist and tell him the UltraVate
isn't working anymore and see what else he recommends. Just tell him that
you want to be sure there is no lanolin in the corticosteriod that he recommends;
and, double check with the pharmacist to be sure that there isn't.
Date: 8 Jan 1997 10:06:36 From: Heather Subject: Kathleen's eyes
I had really bad eczema around my eyes last winter, and just used Eucerin
cream (round jar) as much as possible. This might be a controversial suggestion,
but maybe you should just not wash your face for a while? I only wash it
once a day, with Cetaphil, and follow up immediately with Eucerin. If you
have flare-ups on other parts of your body, treating those might help your
eyes. Come to think of it, I might have used a dab of the steroid you're
using now, on my eyelids... but because of the glaucoma risk, I would really
try to avoid that.
Vaseline can help in cool weather; apply around eyes before going outside.
Date: 8 Jan 1997 10:07:05 From: Alex Subject: Milk allergies
I decided to try eliminating dairy products from my diet to see if the
eczema improved. I just started this week, and I was wondering when I can
expect to see a change, and how long should I avoid dairy before I can
conclude that it's not the problem (if I don't see improvement)
Date: 8 Jan 1997 10:19:15 From: Sharon Subject: ear eczema
I get buzzing too because I scratch and clean them so much. I thought
I was the only person on the planet with this condition. It's amazing that
I'm not after all these years! I think I'm going to be tested for allergies
and see where that leads. When I was younger, they thought it was milk,
but after discontinued use of milk the problem was still there.
Date: 8 Jan 1997 10:27:11 From: Sharon Subject: Eczema Inside Ear
I was in the hospital a year ago for an unrelated condition and I coudn't
shower for about three days (yuck). But what I did notice is that my years
felt better! After I got home, I bought ear plugs but they didn't help
because it is mainly on the outer canal inside the ear. Maybe it's time
to see a new doctor.
Date: 8 Jan 1997 10:28:45 From: Kathleen Subject: Lips
What is the best stuff to use on really bad lips?? I have tried Lip
Medix by Blistex.. it works okay... but it doesn't soak in.. kind of just
covers the dryness.
Date: 8 Jan 1997 10:31:41 From: Ann Subject: lip eczema
My experience with lip eczema is that it readily gets infected. The
first thing I try is Bactroban ointment (prescription). Sometimes that
is all that is needed. I once applied very high potency ointment to my
lips for many weeks with little improvement. I was on the verge of starting
a course of systemic steroids (2 doctors said that it wouldn't get better
without it) when I thought to try the Bactroban.
Date: 8 Jan 1997 10:34:42 From: Robert Subject: Ear Eczema
You can try making a paste out of colloidal oatmeal, putting on the
affected areas, letting it dry, than removing with luke warm water. I find
that this helps, sometimes significantly. Than apply the ultravate. I wouldn't
worry too much about the ultravate since you are only applying to the ears
and the amount of steroid absorbed into your body is much less than those
who apply steroids on large portions of their bodies.
Date: 8 Jan 1997 11:34:56 From: Heather Subject: Lips and ears
For lips:
I was given a tiny sample of Ultravate .05% ointment (halobetasol propionate)
by my Derm. Haven't even used it up yet; one or two applications should
take care of it, and after that I use Vaseline as often as it wears off.
Carry a "lip-applicator" tube of Vaseline in your pocketbook, in every
jacket, in your desk drawer or pocket at work, etc.
Does anyone know if this is the same as "lipstick eczema"? I had eczema
so bad last winter that I called it my clown mask, because I was all red
around the eyes and mouth. Much better now!
For ears:
A nurse thought that I had a fungus infection in my ears last winter;
I think that it's actually eczema. She prescribed Acetasol drops (hydrocortisone
and vinegar), which do help. I still suffer from itching from time to time,
though. Had to get all the flakes, etc. washed out last month. I wonder
if gently warmed oil dripped into the ear would help the itching.
Date: 8 Jan 1997 12:25:00 GMT From: Tim Subject: Ellie's Eczema
I have been following the discussions on the list with regard to diet
and allergies and more recently zinc oxide. Thank you for all your information
and experiences. We have stopped giving Ellie ( 8 months old) citrus fruit
and orange juice, and we have seen a good improvement in her 'dry skin'
patches (I defer from using eczema, as it seems that Ellie's condition
is SO mild compared to the symptoms of some of the people describe on the
list), not that they ever seem to have bothered her in the slightest. We
have also stopped giving her cows milk and egg, though she had both of
these foods very infrequently. She is still breast-fed in the evenings
and nurses a couple of times at night.
On the zinc-oxide, specifically Sudocrem -- this is a commonly used
treatment for nappy rash in the UK (especially amongst health professionals)
and if I remember rightly the label mentions its use for eczema. We have
used it on Ellie's patches as an alternative to Diprobase which has had
no effect (other than moisturisation - I guess), but not seen any difference
to be honest.
Date: 8 Jan 1997 15:05:52 From: Christine Subject: Eczema in Ear vs.
Swimmer's Ear
Heather's description sounds more like swimmer's ear.
Swimmer's ear and eczema in the ear both itch. In my experience, when
I had eczema in the ear, it was visible outside of the canal (although
it felt like it was inside my ear as well); swimmer's ear was only visible
inside the canal.
Swimmer's ear tends to develop from a lack of wax in the ear. Water
then tends to remain in the ear instead of being helped out by the wax.
What happens is that when the skin inside the ear stays wet, it begins
to exfoliate, and then the canal can fill up with the dead skin. That can
cause pressure and pain on the ear drum. It looks a little like yogurt.
A doctor could mistake it for softened wax and try to flush it out. (That
wouldn't be helpful.) An Ear, Nose and Throat (ENT) specialist should vacuum
out all the dead skin in the case of swimmer's ear. Cortisone drops might
then be prescribed by the ENT.
As a preventative, some people put a drop or two of alcohol in their
ears after they get their ears wet to dry out the ear. Then, at night,
they apply 1 drop of vinegar as an anti-bacterial agent. I always remind
my kids to dry out their ears with tissue after showering. Further, I understand
that putting the ears under water during bathtime might contribute to swimmer's
ear (if the person is susceptible to it.)
Date: 8 Jan 1997 15:09:50 From: Rebecca Subject: Kiwi Fruit etc: Kierstin
I developed eczema when I was 24 and it is mainly on my head. I get
small patches occasionally on my elbows, legs, and other areas too, but
in the case of these small patches I can usually make it diasappear by
using a lot of moisturising lotions. I am having real trouble with my scalp
ezcema though. At the moment I am using Betnovate, and I recently started
talking Evening Primrose, alongside my usual multi-vitamin, magneseum,
and herbal tablets! I also use Camilla Heppers Herbal Healing shampoo.
Taking of house dust mite, I am just about to give my room the clean of
its life!!
Date: 8 Jan 1997 15:47:42 From: Heather Subject: Swimmer's Ear (&
Evaporation question)
Well, you're right, it originally could have been swimmer's ear. But
it seems to get worse when the eczema flares on other parts of my body,
and subsides at other times.
Here's a side question: does evaporation work with a cotton handkerchief?
I tried it with a wrung-out handkerchief on a persistent spot on my leg,
but it just seemed to raise a lot of little itchy bumps which drove me
nuts. For me, the itching and weeping isn't usually bad; it's the dry,
almost-discolored patches that bother me. I know that those can easily
get worse if I don't nip them in the bud. I wonder if evaporation works
better on certain types of eczema?
Date: 8 Jan 1997 16:38:45 From: Darcy Subject: My eyes
I have noticed a connection between flare ups and my period and was
wondering if this affected anyone else. I also know the preservatives in
many items that I am allergic too but I was wondering why someone doesn't
use Cetaphil????
Date: 8 Jan 1997 17:07:51 From: Maria Subject: <No subject given>
I also have been bothered by menstrual flare ups, although right now
I am having a particularly bad episode for no apparent reason. My back
arms, legs and torso are involved (hands and face minimal) I definitely
feel that there is astrong hormonal connection and had a flare-up that
went on through pregnancy and nursing.
That was 18 years ago and now I am suffering in a similar fashion...perhaps
pre-menopause??? who knows. I have started on the zinc supplement and have
tried almost everything else (went out and bought some zinc oxide last
night it worked great a bedtime but I woke up during the night itching
like crazy).
Date: 8 Jan 1997 17:23:48 From: Shelley Subject: bruises, thin skin
etc
Ann, I WISH I could do hard scratching. My skin is so thin now that
light scratching creates tearing, wounds, and red rash. And the bruises
are all over, not just places where I've done light scratching.
Hours worth of discipline can be ruined by a minor unconscious quick
1,2,3 scratch, especially when I'm asleep. My flare-up is still in effect
because of this, despite being able to sleep better. Some areas are improved
but then I give a slight scratch someplace else and I've got a new area
involved. It started out just on my arms and legs, but now it's spread
to my neck, stomach, back, and face. And the healing is going so slowly
on my arms and legs that new areas there are developing problems before
the old ones improve!
Today I will experiment with using the hand-gripper (originally for
developing muscle strength) and using the rowing machine to get some of
the energy out. If I can get myself out of the house, I will buy some Aleve.
I got samples of Aquanil and DHS shampoo. They work fine. I will probably
buy more of both. All the evaporation advice I've been given is appreciated.
When I feel ready to try it, I will read it all again.
Date: 8 Jan 1997 19:20:54 From: Christine Subject: Various Types of
Eczema & Evaporation
Heather wrote:
>> does evaporation work with a cotton handkerchief? <<
I would imagine that a handkerchief would be suitable.
I reach for evaporation to kill the itch. Lately, I've been trying zinc
oxide ointment instead of corticosteriods on the dry patches. I like it
still so far. My pediatrician said it was fine to use it on my son's 3
patches of eczema. She's an angel disguised as my kid's doctor. I trust
her a lot.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 07:47:27 From: Donna Subject: Milk allergies
When the doctor I went to first suggested eliminating all dairy from
my diet to see if that was the cause of my eczema (this includes eliminating
EVERYTHING containing whey/casein/caseinate, not just the obvious milk/
cheese/butter, etc.), it took two weeks before I noticed an improvement.
Make sure you are reading the labels on everything you eat, to make
sure you aren't eating when/casein/caseinate without knowing it -- those
are the actual milk proteins which are the culprits, and they are common
additives to foods, even those which are not obviously 'dairy'.
I find any foods which contain whey/casein/caseinate cause me problems....
and I've also had reactions eating pancakes or other foods which ostensibly
contain 'cooked' milk...
Date: 9 Jan 1997 00:13:19 From: Bob Subject: Milk allergies
You should begin to see gradual improvement off milk in a few weeks.
I tell my patients to give the no raw uncooked milk diet about 3 months
to know if it is working.... and it almost always does. It is the protein
in milk that causes eczema and that protein is broken down by cooking at
high heat so you can eat pancakes for example that has milk cooked in it
. For the 3 month trial just eliminate raw uncooked milk, cheese, yogurt,
and ice cream.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 10:26:21 From: Christine Subject: Where To Get Zinc
Oxide Ointment
You can buy it at the grocery store, drug stores & pharmacies. Yesterday
my pediatrician said I could use it on my 4-year-old son for his patches
of dry eczema. Just call your nearest store and ask them if they sell it.
It's as easy to find as baby powder.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 10:38:55 From: Ann Subject: female hormone connection
Heather, I've never noticed any relation between my eczema and my cycle.
I did seem to get a little worse during pregnancy and went even further
downhill after a few months of nursing. (But there were so many other factors:
cats and mildew in house; stress of disabled twins etc.)
My worst adult eczema came on at age 47 (all over rash; extremely red
face etc.). My internist had all my sex hormones tested ( I think it cost
close to $400) to see if this was just my way of doing menopause. Hormones
tested extremely high - not menopausal. Now I'm 50 and skin is MUCH better.
But recently I was having insomnia (for 6 months) and I thought it must
be menopause. So we tested just the estrogen (I'm frugal) and I tested
not menopausal again (cycle is as regular as it's ever been). Maybe some
of the other hormones have dropped and that's why my skin is better now?
Other that that, I see no relation in myself but I've noticed that several
women have reported monthly flares.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 11:13:14 From: Ken Subject: Lubriderm Lotion
My dermatologist recommended Lubriderm lotion as moisturizer. He said
to use the fragrance free version of the lotion. The lotion contains lanolin.
I have used it for 2 years. Not quite sure about the result. After hearing
so much on lanolin, I decided to switch to another moisturizer with no
lanolin. Then I found out that Lubriderm came out with another version
of the lotion with no fragrance, no dye and no lanolin. So I switched to
this version. I have read a lot on moisturizer and lanolin in the mailing
list. I do not recall any one had mentioned using Lubriderm. Does any one
out there use Lubriderm? What is the outcome of using it?
Date: 9 Jan 1997 11:28:21 From: Heather Subject: Menstruation
I've also noticed mid-cycle and menstrual flare-ups of my eczema. This
is my (crackpot) explanation, since I was never very strong in biology!:
Estrogen keeps your skin more moisturized and elastic; since estrogen
varies during certain times of the menstrual cycle, the dryness caused
by a lowered estrogen level may affect the eczema. I had my worst flare-up
when I was on the Pill (caused dry skin), and went off the Pill as soon
as I found a suitable barrier contraceptive to use. None of my doctors
seems to believe or care that I think there's a connection, but I still
strongly believe that there is.
I wonder if the eczema will get worse when I get closer to menopause?
Well, another 25 years and I'll know!
I'd like to hear from other women who notice cyclical differences in
their eczema.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 12:09:27 From: Bruce Subject: tried evaporation and
zinc
On Saturday tried the wetting my hands and arms to stop the itch cycle.
It worked great. I kept doing it on Sunday and it stopped the itch but
seemed to dry the skin out so much and moisturizers do not help much. I
need to try new ones without lanolin
I tried the wet sheet over me for thirty minutes. It did not feel very
good to me. I'll try it again on the next flare-up. I have used zinc oxide
with cotton socks to sleep with, and it really has made a positive difference.
I also take 2 Aleve a day to help with the swelling of the hands. I have
gone to many different dermos and had never been told about zinc oxide
and this has been over 25 years. Oh well I'm glad I know now.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 12:12:22 From: Kelly Subject: Menstruation
I don't remember the name of the hormorne I'm sensitive to but its function
is to thicken the lining of the uterus, when the egg drops, the hormone
ceases and shot into my bloodstream for disposal that's where I begin reacting.
A few years after this connection was made, I became a guinea pig for
the birth control shot exactly 12.5 years ago, this was way before it hit
the market and I was told it would be out in 2 yrs but it wasn't. I took
the shots every 3 months and it does cease your period, a total of only
3 x's then I was taken off of it due to complications, the result was that
it did help my eczema considerably, I would without the shot and still
do, just recovered from my period induced eczema and then be right back
in it, my period cycle is only 3 weeks long, not the greatly preferred
of 4. My eczema has worsened since then so they don't want to even try
the shot right now until I become stable by their standards, by mine I'm
doing much better. I tell you what ladies, if I could be on it I would.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 12:52:43 From: Kelly Subject: Lanolin Avoidance
I've noticed lately that more people are saying they are going to avoid
lanolin products or surprised "Oh, I didn't know that contained lanolin,
I'm going to stop using it".
Please note that if Christine is allergic to lanolin, that does not
mean you are. Some people are allergic to cotton, are you going to give
that up too just because someone else is allergic. There probably isn't
one thing on this earth that somebody out there isn't allergic too.
Avoid your own allergens not everybody's elses.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 13:33:36 From: Christine Subject: Varied Reactions
As you have read, even though there are some irritants, it would be
unwarranted and totally impractical to concern yourself with them all.
That s just not the way life works. Everyone is different, and the way
this seems to work is that what bothers you might not bother me, and vice
versa. I tell you why ... everyone is biochemically different. Different
quantities and interactions of carbohydrates, fats, proteins, enzymes,
vitamins, and minerals, and differences in the way our bodies perform,
such as one end-organ response to another, account for why we react differently
when exposed to the same thing.
Usually, though, what you're putting on your skin, or what you're touching
is going to be what's affecting your skin. My motto is the less the better.
I remember experimenting with so many things to try and get better, but
I just got a lot worse. Now, I just use water to rinse off the irritants
and try to buy irritant-free things.
Since avoiding lanolin markedly improved my condition, I will always
encourage those suffering from eczema to refrain from using anything that
contains lanolin in order to see if it is aggravating their eczema.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 13:55:49 From: Bruce Subject: The Hormone Connection
Here is an interesting thing. Killeen has been pregnant twice. Both
times, her eczema completely cleared up. After birth of the kids, it returned.
A hormone connection indeed.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 15:41:12 From: Kathleen Subject: Lubriderm Lotion
I had also used Lubriderm for a long time, and it did okay as a moisturizer,
but the only thing that has ever brought me any kind of relief from dryness
AND itchiness (without meds in it) is Aveeno lotion. I don't think could
live without it.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 16:01:03 From: Patsy Subject: Lubriderm Lotion
Ken et al, I had a derm suggest Lubriderm back when all I suffered was
extremely dry skin. I found it better than no moisturizer at all, but certainly
not the best to deal with my particular skin problems. Anyone else?
Date: 9 Jan 1997 18:08:37 From: Kierstin Subject: Kiwi Fruit etc: Kierstin
Rebecca, I'm interested to know how many evening primrose tablets you
are taking. When I took a small amount e.g 2-3 1000mg tablets I had no
success but then I heard a lady speak about complex allergies who was a
biologist who said the key was taking large doses. So I started on 9-12
tablets of 1000mg per day - the results have been amazing for me.
I too was using betnovate and occasionally still do on my hands but
the improvement is great - I also watch my diet and avoid spicy foods,
alcohol etc these foods on advice from the Chinese medicine theory that
they heat the blood which will always make ezcema worse - I tend to agree.
I am now down to a maintenance dose of evening primrose oil tablets
of 2 per day and I take 1 antioxidant tablet per day. I am so so so so
much improved - I live a normal life again!
Date: 9 Jan 1997 18:16:21 From: Christine Subject: Variations of Lubriderm
Lubriderm has different variations of their lotions (some with lanolin
and some without). Always read the ingredients for your benefit.
I would like to suggest trying Theraplex emollient.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 19:03:37 From: Patsy Subject: Allergies
I have a question I hope someone can answer. For those who found their
eczema was caused by an allergic reaction to something, was the eczema
systemic? What I'm questioning is the logic behind a nonsystemic eczema
being caused by something ingested. In other words, it's hard to understand
how my hand would be more allergic to milk than my leg. Any thoughts?
Date: 9 Jan 1997 19:09:53 From: Diane Subject: Allergies
Food allergies are usually manifested on my face, whereas my hands react
more to contact. I'm not sure why it is always my face that reacts to foods.
Date: 9 Jan 1997 19:36:00 From: Chris Subject: Introduction, zinc,
PMS flareups
I suffer from allergies and judging from the tests I took last year
it is mostly tree pollens and dust mites. Within the last couple of years
I've developed eczema on my hands. Starts as dry and itchy, and then ends
up sunburn red. Last visit to the doctor I got the "there isn't much we
can do" story. After reading your posts I can see there is much more than
can be attempted ranging from figuring out if it is an allergic reaction,
to figuring out what best will control it.
I've found the zinc posts interesting. I recently saw an article that
said the PMS symptoms could be helped by increasing your magnesium and
zinc intake, I believe thru some leafy vegetables, but I didn't keep the
article. I've noticed that lately I've had more eczema flareups along with
increased moodiness in the same time each month. I'm going to attempt increasing
my zinc intake to see if both problems are alleviated.
I suffer the worse from night time itching. My doctor suggested Benadryl,
but the Benadryl makes me sleep very light and jittery, even after taking
only 1 pill instead of the 2 pill recommended dosage. I've found the Gold
Medal ointment helps the itching, but it burns at first, and I wonder if
I am doing more damage than good? I believe the first listed ingredient
is lidocaine? I'm trying to find a pharmaceutical reference on the web
but haven't had any luck, can someone point me in the right direction?
Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:37:21 From: Gary Subject: Wet Wraps/Evaporation
Had my first opportunity to experience the effectiveness of the dampened
cloth method. It worked. The method has some limitations of practicality,
which may be why there has not been a deluge on the list of positive testimonials.
I am a little puzzled about how to deal with the sensation of coldness
that occurs. Bottom line is that I now have another tool at my disposal
to combat an itch.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:40:27 From: Diane Subject: Laboratory
Thanks for the info! I also have tried using non-latex gloves, but find
that the "moisture" (polite for sweat) that develops inside the glove is
enough to cause a flare up. I have started wearing cotton liners underneath
the gloves, which I have found extremely helpful. They are very thin and
don't interfere with dexterity any more than the gloves themselves. They
are made by Aldrich (Milwaukee, WI) Catalog # Z11833-8.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 07:44:57 From: Kelly Subject: Introduction, zinc,
PMS flareups
Chris wrote: >> I'm trying to find a pharmaceutical reference on the
web <<
http://www.gsm.com/cgi-bin/cgi2shell.exe/showmono.pl?mononum=285&drugidx=
Date: 10 Jan 1997 07:59:10 From: Kelly Subject: Recent Eczema Management
Dave, you need to find a new source of C, by the time you get a grocery
store juice home there's next to none in it (especially transparant containers)
including the Vit. C added ones.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 08:03:28 From: Kelly Subject: Eczema Triggers
I'd be curious about how many of us chronics had hernia operations.
I had a double hernia operation before age 5.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 09:43:04 From: Robert Subject: Allergies
Patsy, While I don't understand your question completely, I have the
following experiences concerning allergies causing eczema. My eczema, when
dormant, returned when I ate a lot of peanuts. Upon returning, it has remained
with me for years at various levels of intensity. When it is very active,
I notice that certain foods cause reactions (orange juice, tomato, etc.).
When it is not active, these same foods do not affect me. It has also been
brought on by stress (sometimes) and relieved by relaxation and sun (sometimes).
High temperature (sickness) also relieves it. So as far as I can tell,
there are triggers both ways, but none are absolute.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 10:02:14 From: Alex Subject: Laboratory
I work in a lab, and I recently began using non-latex gloves. It's too
soon to tell if there's a difference. Here's the information on the label,
if you want to order some.
N-DEX gloves 100% nitrile no natural rubber proteins, hypoallergenic
(documentation available call 1-800-241) More puncture resistant than natural
rubber latex or vinyl gloves style/reorder # 7005L Large [I don't know
if the L in the reorder# stands for large or not]
Best Manufacturing Company, Menlo, GA 30731 For orders, use the same
number as above.
BTW, they're blue, and the cost is comparable to latex gloves.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 10:08:58 From: Kathleen Subject: Eczema Triggers
My eczema goes totally haywire when I am under stress. During exams,
before I perform (school plays etc.), and once when I was going to have
an operation, my skin gets worse than ever. For me stress is one of the
BIG irritants.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 11:22:15 From: Mary-Anne Subject: female hormone
connection
I have noticed a connection between eczema and my cycle. Mine gets worse
just before my period starts and then improves until it is almost gone
over the month.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 11:22:25 From: Mary-Anne Subject: Lubriderm Lotion
I much prefer Neutrogena emulsion to Lubriderm, I find that it is long
lasting and quick absorbing.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 11:55:03 From: Dave Subject: Recent Eczema Management
Just out of interest I thought I'd tell you about my recent experiences
regarding eczema (which seems to be confined to my hands, arms and shoulders):
Over the Christmas period, I stayed at my a house where they have a
cat. This cat used to give me an asthmatic response, but now it causes
my skin to itch instead and thus exacerbates my eczema. It is just something
that I put up with really - I can reduce the allergic response to an extent
by (a) going out a lot(!) and (b) taking Clarityn, which is actually for
hay fever, but as an antihistamine seems to take the edge off the itching.
[I went into a chemist and when I asked for hay fever tablets and it was
-5'C outside and snowing, I got a slightly funny look ... !] My eczema
was already quite bad even before I went to her house and became even worse
while I was there.
Since then, I haven't been back to the house and I have been doing a
lot of reading/research about eczema and thought I'd have a real old stab
at sorting it out. I have done the following, based on things I've read
on this list and elsewhere:
-
Started wearing rubber gloves when doing washing up - I knew that the hot
water was hurting my hands but I thought that the bright yellow gloves
"looked stupid" until now... ! This seems to help quite a lot. I have read
about allergy to rubber on the list, and that vinyl is better, but I have
had no obvious adverse reactions to the rubber gloves.
-
Have started having the occasional "emollient bath" (using Oilatum, for
the record). I'm not sure how much this helps, but because the skin doesn't
dry out as fast as with a normal bath, I have slightly longer to apply
the creams that I have. The cream I use is Diprobase, prescribed by my
GP.
-
On the dietary side, my mother (who has Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and is
very into nutritional health) found a book which suggested that sugary
foods could have an adverse effect on eczema. OK, so I cut out "gratuitously"
sugary foods, such as chocolate, canned drinks, ice cream and biscuits.
I have made no other (conscious) dietary changes apart from trying to increase
my Vitamin C intake by drinking a quantity of fruit juice - one 2 litre
bottle over two-three days.
-
I have also started taking "hypo-allergenic" vitamin supplements and evening
primrose oil (about 6-8 capsules per day).
-
I saw my GP on Wednesday and he decided to change round my steroids from
Eumovate ointment to Betnovate RD cream - same strength (both "moderately
potent") but that seems to have been an improvement. The base that the
Betnovate is in seems to contain the same ingredients as Diprobase, which
is about the only cream that I can use without flaring up.
Anyway, in summary: my eczema has improved from lots of very red and itchy
patches to almost smooth skin (although not quite) and the redness is much
subsided. So, I must be doing something right - given that I have done
all of the above within two weeks, it might be difficult to work out the
degree to which each item helps individually.
Thought this little story might be of interest. I still don't feel that
I have "beaten" the eczema yet, but only that I am strongly on the offensive
and appear to have gained some ground.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 12:31:58 From: Mark Subject: Eczema Triggers
Does anyone else recognize a trigger for their eczema. For me it was
my baby jabs, for Sam it was a hernia operation when he was 2 years old.
I don't know if it is the stress involved with these or the drugs given.
Perhaps it is just the sight of a doctor brings you out in a rash.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 13:34:20 From: Marilyn Subject: flare-up report
When I'm attacked, I soak the itching part in hot hot water, as hot
as I can stand and it feels goooooood. After a while, the itch is pulled
out. When I'm crazy with itching in the night, I take a hot hot bath besides
extra hot water running on the rash. Scratching seems to make me crazier
and crazier.
Dry completely before rubbing on whatever you rub on.
I can always sleep after that.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 14:47:48 From: Shelley Subject: flare-up report
I've been taking Aleve for a couple of days now. No sign of improvement
from that. I will take it for a week and see if improvement occurs over
time.
I am taking vitamins, drinking lots of water, eating rice, vegies, yams,
cabbage, soybeans, pears, and banana. I am going for walks, using the rowing
machine a little bit, holding "power putty" in my hands, applying ice packs.
My problem is not constant itching. I get these sudden itching attacks
where I do so much damage in just a few seconds. Last night, I decided
to sacrifice one arm and focus my scratching there in order to protect
the rest of me. This is a technique I used when I was a child and I hope
it works again. So for the rest of flare-up I will attempt to limit my
destruction to only one place in hopes of saving the rest of me. So one
arm looks like raw hamburger, which can be covered with a sleeve, but the
rest of me will hopefully get a chance to heal. Once the rest of me is
healed, then I will hopefully have the strength to focus healing on the
arm. When your entire body is involved, resources must be rationed. It's
too hard to fight a war throughout an entire country.
It really feels like a war inside me. Most of the time is spent in preparation
for the attack, but when the attack comes, all preparation seems useless.
I can't think straight at that moment, all action is involuntary and instinctual.
All I can do is impose a vague warning, like Obi Wan Kenobi's voice in
Star Wars saying "Remember the Force!" echoing in Luke's mind when he was
fighting someone. When I'm in that half unconscious state in the night,
it's a battle between animal forces inside me, where my mind is a tiny
ineffectual voice in the back of my head.
The other thing I figured out yesterday is that I have to tune in to
how it really feels on the inside instead of reacting to how it looks and
feels on the outside. When I touch the skin, it feels awful, and I have
a reaction that I wouldn't have had if I didn't touch it at all. So I am
trying to avoid touching it, which is really hard. I think I have the instinct
to touch in the sense of trying to comfort it. But my motivation gets twisted
by the reaction to the touch. Anyway, enough of that.
This morning I used Cetaphil lotion without water instead of my usual
cold shower. It feels good right now. I used up the last of my supply and
will replace it with Aquanil.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 15:04:17 From: Darcy Subject: flare-up report
I just wanted to say that I agree with you, sometimes I look at my face
and all I see is eczema and on the inside I wonder why am I being punished!
But I have to remember that I didn't ask for eczema and I do everything
to control it! Often I feel that it is a war against my skin but I try
to stay in control and avoid stress and the things I know that cause flare
ups! Another thing was I wanted to ask Shelley, Why are you switching to
Aquanil, why don't you like Cetaphil?
Date: 10 Jan 1997 15:52:27 From: Shelley Subject: Cetaphil vs Aquanil
Darcy: I have no trouble with Cetaphil. I just thought I would try Aquanil
(it's cheaper) and see if it's just as good. Someone mentioned that Cetaphil
had an ingredient that could be an irritant, propylene glycol, that Aquanil
doesn't have, so I was curious to see the difference. But I have never
reacted to Cetaphil and will go back to it if Aquanil doesn't work as well.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 16:01:54 From: Patsy Subject: flare-up report
Marilyn's answer to night itchies would send me over the edge. Heat
of any kind makes my eczema itch worse. In contrast to her methods, I have
stood in the tub at 3 am with just cold water running and let it beat down
on whatever itched. Then I don't dry completely before adding moisturizer,
creamy petroleum jelly, or the haemorrhoid ointment. This will generally
hold me the rest of the night. I guess this proves everyone reacts differently.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 16:24:38 From: Ann Subject: flare up report/ Aleve
Shelley, You write so well! Those same feelings and experiences I know
but could never express. I personally can't sacrifice one body part. Scratching
one place to the point of getting what I call a "systemic buzz" always
leads me into an-all over scratching frenzy. But if it works for you, use
it! I also started the Aleve. My skin was in good shape when I started
and it's even better now. But, of course, other factors may be responsible.
Like, I was overdue for allergy shots, and I got them just as I started
the Aleve. When I cleared up before with the similar med, I was on it for
a month or two. So I'll try it for a couple of weeks.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 20:14:42 From: Alan Subject: herpanicine
Has anyone ever heard of Herpanicine? It's a pill I got at a health
food store a couple of years ago that completely took away any signs of
my eczema and other skin problems. That store stopped carrying it and I
haven't been able to find it anywhere else. I would be very appreciative
of any info anyone might have.
Date: 10 Jan 1997 23:54:18 From: Kelly Subject: herpanicine
Herpacine is a product that Dr. Wayne Diamond created but what's in
this doesn't justify the cost, it is extremely overpriced. You might try
going to a health store (a real one, not GNC) and ask for a product that's
comparable or you may have to do your own search as this product is not
well known. He created this for some other skin condition, forget now.
Dr. Wayne Diamond P.O. Box 544 Ambler, PA 19002 212/ 542 [Ofc] 212/
542 [Fax]
I checked my catalog and it does carry Herpacine, 100 ct. for $14.99.
If you're interested, it's called the Vitamin Discount Connection at 800/
848.
Date: 11 Jan 1997 00:52:27 From: Paula Subject: flare up report/ Aleve
I am going through three weeks of listings and think I just read where
other members of the group were having purple rashes where they itched.
I'm 47 years old and have had execema most of my life, but these rashes
just started in the last few months
Is my skin finally so thin than I'm breaking blood vessels? I traveled
for the day with a heavy briefcase yesterday and woke up this am with my
left arm full of rash where I must have held it against my arm...yikes..I
didn't even scratch!! At least they've lately happened where I have been
scratching--and just on my arms.
Can anyone shed light?? I was also very glad to hear discussion on the
menstrual cycle/ itching frenzy because I've been convinced for a few years
now that there is a definite relationship there. THANKS for listening.
It's so helpful to be able to share these things and the feelings that
go along with this malady.
Date: 11 Jan 1997 02:53:54 From: Edward Subject: laboratory
I am type 4 allergic to latex (that is, I have rubber chemical allergy
from years of occupational exposure to latex gloves). If you think your
problems are due to glove use, you are welcome to contact me (probably
off the list, since I doubt this will be of general interest to others)
and I'll help if I can. I will of course know more about sterile gloves
for use in surgery, but I do know something about non-steriles. If you
wish to correspond, it would help to know details about your skin problems,
what types of gloves you have failed with (ie, latex, vinyl, nitrile, neoprene,
tactylon, etc.), if you have been allergy tested for latex or rubber chemicals,
and something about your occupational requirements.
Alex is correct that the Best blue nitriles would be a good choice for
a person who is type 1 (latex protein) allergic. This is poly acrylo-nitrile,
and it contains no natural rubber latex. Also, blue nitriles have good
resistance to chemical penetration. BUT this polymer generally requires
vulcanization with sulfur, so it may not be acceptable for a type 4 allergic
individual. Although I have not called Best to verify this, I have been
told that blue nitrile gloves most often are accelerated with a carbamate.
If you are known to be allergic to thiurams, remember that there is a significant
incidence of cross-allergy between thiurams and carbamates, so you may
then fail with blue nitriles. And if you don't know what in the world I
am talking about, just write me.
Date: 11 Jan 1997 07:51:52 From: Christine Subject: Positive Findings
on Zinc Oxide Ointment
Although many people (even our some of our doctors and pharmacists)
haven't heard of zinc oxide ointment being recommend for eczema, my research
shows me that it is, and my experience was that it improved my condition
and the condition of my son.
Two different pharmacists said it is not absorbed into our system, so
we don't have to worry about side affects. It just stays on top of the
skin. My pediatrician also said that I could use it on my son for three
little patches of dry eczema that he had. I tried it first on my eczema.
Then, after being glad with the results, I tried it on my son. I report
my findings to you
I like the way it noticeably smoothed the cracks and quickly promoted
healing, especially on my hands. Also, I had a stubborn patch just above
my knee for a week or so. One overnight treatment of zinc oxide ointment
improved the condition. Continuing the use on my knee has interrupted the
flared-up cycle. This has been a 6-day trial. I use it on my face, too,
and have nice results. As I view it working on my skin, it seems to act
as an eczema eraser. I put some zinc oxide ointment on the couple of little
patches that my son had, and it worked by first softening and fading the
eczema. Then, after 3 days of using it three times a day, the patches faded
away. I had tried hydrocortisone ointment there for a week before with
no real progress. We know there are some people in this group who have
known about zinc oxide ointment being recommend for eczema for many years,
and they say that it helps them a lot, too.
Date: 11 Jan 1997 11:05:35 From: Robert Subject: flare-up report
I do much the same thing that you do, and I put various things in the
bath --bath oil, colloidal oatmeal, salt, tar, vinegar. I always use the
oil to prevent drying. I also like to put hot water on the most itching
parts, but while it feels good I feel as though it is causing harm. Sometimes
I end the bath with a short cold shower which seems to help, although I
have to force myself to do it and don't do it very often (I believe that
it is effecive). I do not dry completely before putting on lotions but
find that doing it while wet does a better job. The baths help, but don't
usually stop the itching when I am in a bad state. When in a bad state,
if I didn't have the baths with oil and oatmeal, I would have real trouble
surviving.
By the way, someone mentioned Lubriderm as a not too effective lotion.
They just came out with a product called "seriously sensitive" which I
find quite good and it has become part of my arsenal.
Date: 11 Jan 1997 11:41:46 From: Rebecca Subject: In reply
Kelly said about vitamin C: well if you are taking a multi Vitamin,
doesn't that have Vit C in it? The trouble with Vitamin C is that it is
unstable in light and heat so even vegetables that are high in it contain
virtually nothing if boiled...(always use the cooking water in your gravy)
Ribena's pretty high in Vit C.
Date: 11 Jan 1997 11:46:23 From: Kelly Subject: Zinc
Just a note: zinc works exceptionally well on weepy rash, it'll dry
it up fast.
Date: 11 Jan 1997 12:12:00 From: Man Subject: Eczema Triggers
I had a hernia operation as a very young child-prior to 3-about the
same time as I began to break out in eczema...although my mother relates
the onset of my eczema to my first haircut!!! Who knows?
Date: 11 Jan 1997 12:31:25 From: Richard Subject: Tylenol
Like others, when I get a rise in blood pressure, usually from thinking
too much, it get itching sensations going off throughout my body. Trying
to fall asleep causes the most distress. I've noticed that Tylenol and,
thanks to Steve, vitamin C, seems to reduce the fast heart beating sensation
and itch pings. The result is fair amounts of Ty |